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Star Wars: The Old Republic: No Same Sex Relationships
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I think this is really a non-issue as people play the game for fantasy and can RP gay relationships with other players if they choose. Can't see WoW people clamouring for ghey pandas in the mists, so I don't think it critical.
That really cracked me up. Very clever.
Knee-jerk reaction and drama grabbing. The same, in essence, that I said about the "ewww, gay stuff" post I quoted in my post that you quoted.
Woah woah woah.
Just because its a Same Sex relationship doesn't mean its a higher Rating for a game... Srsly, how could you even think that? Same sex realtionship's doesn't mean "raunchy pr0n".
Going further, this yet continues to prove how unintelligent and uninspired this game is, as well as the people developing it. "You can have your own story, but it has to be a heterosexual story only."
This game is really pathetic.
You people can bicker back and forth all day -
Point is, it is a FACT that same-sex relationships are not as generally approved of in Western cultures.
Right or wrong doesn't matter, it is a fact.
A game is a product that you sell to consumers, not having same-sex relationships in the game is the "safe" route to not offending in some way the majority of your consumers.
Right or wrong doesn't matter.
Personally, I find it unfortunate that Western societies aren't as open as they should be considering our supposed "love" of freedom and respect.
Doesn't change the fact I'm in the minority for being accepting.
why is this such a big deal?
"Need?" It's a game, need has nothing to do with it. If you like the design decisions, you play, if you don't, you don't. Like it or not, there was never any substantial chance of scripted same sex relationships in TOR. The ESRB has historically placed higher ratings on games with homosexual content, so from a business standpoint it would be irresponsible to include it in a MMO which is aiming for millions of subscribers (there are far more kids, as a percentage of the population, than there are gay people) and even if it wasn't, it is highly unlikely that LucasArts would ever allow openly gay characters in a Star Wars product. As far as they are concerned, gays don't exist in their IP.
Either way, it isn't fair to blame BioWare if you dislike the decision, because it either is a decision literally forced on them by the owner of the IP, or a decision practically forced on them by the practices of the ESRB, regardless of what they would like to do.
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Through power, I gain victory.
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Hehe. Nice elaboration on the the subject matter. Very decent too with only the bare minimum of referring to specific reproductional organs.
We'll have to see how important and worked out this aspect is though, in storylines, etc. *curious is*
I think I read somewhere that it will be totally optional anyway.
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In a single player game, I'm all for whatever people want for romance options.
In a MMORPG, I'd prefer to have NO NPC romance options, same sex or opposite sex. Let the "RPG" part come out, and let two PEOPLE interact that way if they wish (cybering, etc). Would just seem weird to have 200,000 people "in love" with the same NPC. Even Wilt Chamberlain and Gene Simmons couldn't keep up with that.
Will Bioware allow marriages in game I wonder... I know some games will do same sex marriages and some won't.
It is not a big deal, unless of course you happen to be gay, Which i am NOT ... ... .. I think... ..lol
(I will ask me wife and kid later)
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The "safe route" would be to not have these relationships in the game period. Being a game marketed to sell and any company wanting "max profit" should realize this. Why?
Because one thing that really drives up sub numbers these days is families. People want to be able to do things with their kids. When you put a bunch of parental controls in a game (as many do) obviously having relationships of this type in a game defeats the purpose. Now if you are marketing your game to a Mature audience and are happy with that smaller customer base fine.
I don't have any issue with MA games.
I just don't think EA bought bioware for 860+ million dollars etc to develop this game for anything but the maximum audience size. To that point "in game relationships" are going to prove counter productive.
Beyond that I don't care what someone else does or how they live their personal/private life. Unless of course the things they do impact negatively on others who were not given a choice. Then again when someone develops a game in ways I don't like I don't go on some grand crusade to try and change things.... I comment about it and move on or completely ignore it.
I am face palming at this thread in more ways than one.
Look, there's no <insert weird sexual fetish here> Relationships in the game! Rage!
I don't really get this whole thing about romancing NPCs to begin with though. Especially in an MMO game. It's like... objectophilia.
Since I'm going to playing this game with my girlfriend, I'm sure as hell not going to pursue some random NPC chick in a romantic way.
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What a crock. Maybe in some areas, but across the total population, most research places the amount (in the U.S.) at somewhere between 1 and 3 percent. A far cry from "1 in 5."
Though I agree that the poster you are responding to is being silly, it isn't like a character can jump through his monitor and assault him, in games the "No means no" approach works just fine.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
I think your "1 in 5" is a bit off... more like 3 to 5 in 100
but war is!!!!
Not from my experience!! haha ...;)
I personally think they should just leave Character/NPC relationships out of it. Who really needs that? Aren't RL relationships enough? Do we really need to develop relationships with computers? If you want hetero- homo- or whatever- relationships - go have them in REAL LIFE. But, if you really want to get upset because your particular flavor isn't in a game, then here's some advice:
Don't play the game that offended your sensibilities.
Find a game that has what you want in it.
Go make your own game that has what you want in it.
Stop playing computer games to get your interpersonal interactions and start living real life.
I think that devs have every right to decide what they want to put in thier games. If they want hetero- only, fine. If they want homo- only, fine. If they want a mix, fine. If you don't like what they're offering, see my above advice.
You want me to pay to play a game I already paid for???
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is this really an issue? did this topic really just get 10 pages of discussion?
people must seriously be bored out of their minds anticipating this game.
if some turbo nerd homosexual wants to go do some same sex wookie RP at the rusty trombone cantina, then by all means let them do it. But is it really a big deal if that option is not available?
i'm mean 99% of the time its a male playing a female character hitting on a male character. i guess my point is, you never really know what you're getting anyway, so why make such a big deal about it?
There was never any gay stuff in Star Wars. Not sure why this is even an issue.
Fascinating how many mediums biggots end up involving themselves in. Here's a company WELL known for having gay/bi options in it's games because quite simply this is closer to a real life immersion then not having it and now they are being strong armed by Lucas Arts because let's face it, in the limited view of these people, Gay people don't exist and are not part of nature much less natural design, HA. Despite massive amounts of evolutionary/historical data to back up just the opposite. All scientific evidence asside wouldn't it increase the numbers of your sub only game to attract ALL people from all walks of life to your game by providing a more realistic immersion factor rather then the opposite from a purely marketing point of view??
Pretty much this.
Lucas(art) has always rules the star wars francise with a iron fist, we've seen the living proof of that even in SWG.
And lucasart knows it wont really matter to the gay-scene, relations betwine players will form regardless, its not like they are banning gay players or even gay retations.
Them taking this (meaningless) stance on gay relations will apease the anti-gay crowd.
no gay relationships allowed but a straight man is allowed play as a female...
I'm curious, but would you allow your child to pursue a heterosexual relationship in a game? So long as it's a straight romance, it's kosher?
I respect that others may have no interest in homosexuality in any form and it might even make them uncomfortable. I have no interest in it either, but as far as I'm concerned, equality trumps everything else, even when it's inconvenient. Especially then. If one type of romance should be removed from the game, then all should.
Using the 'protect the children' argument is just convenient way to justify one's own willingness to suppress another's contrary viewpoint, instead of learning how to live with it.
You do not have a relationship with a computer, you in fact are having a relationship with a developer's fantasy (usually male), so hitting a female NPC in game, means you're actually hitting an imagination of another male (penis-owner as defined above).
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