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First of all, it DOES affect my gameplay when I booted from games becasue my gear is not up to par with all the RMAH users, or when I am not given credit for my efforts because people assume I bought my gear. It also affects my gameplay when I can't realistically access the Gold AH because my legitimate ways of acquiring gold are obsolete due to inflation caused by rampant gold farming/selling/buying through the RMAH.
Secondly, sure, lots of people already RMT but it will be MUCH MUCH MORE in Diablo 3 since people don't have to risk anything to cheat. Just because you can't beat RMTers doesn't mean you should join them, specially when joining them means giving up a franchise's integrity and risking a runaway economy.
Finally, it completely destroy the point of the game: The whole point of Diablo has been killing monsters to level up and acquire loot. If the RMAH allows you to buy items, gold and characters then what's the point of the game? Fighting for no real reason? I can do that in a regular hack n slash such a God of War or any fighting game.
This whole thing has very little to do with the actual game or the player base, it's a completely corporate decision - Blizzard doesn't want to spend the money required to protect their game, instead giving up on it(and their game) and trying to profit from it.
Just don't play... find a game where the developer cares about his project0dream and doesn't have a F2P bailout plan like all these other Business men.
Play ONLY open world games.. get away from cheap server run MMO's that are zones and instancing.
"No they are not charity. That is where the whales come in. (I play for free. Whales pays.) Devs get a business. That is how it works."
-Nariusseldon
Its Blizzards. If they want to add an AH like that, thats their call. Period. Its up to any given player to decide if they want to play it.
Best idea ever. Now you just have to figure out how to eliminate min/max type raiders with elitist attitudes, who sleeps with dps parsers and tapes every fight just to critique everyones performances and raids are instantly desireable again
Noo you don't say?
You can do all of these same things STILL. Whether or not someone bought a sheild on RMT is not preventing you from this aspect of the game. In fact...it may very well be the REASON they bought it...so that they can do all of those things without having to wait for the bloody thing to drop on the 5000th kill. Bottom line? You can still enjoy the RP side of it. You won't be getting booted from games, ignoring the fact such players will likely be overgeared and not even NEED you...Blizzard has been using a gear matching system for its multiplayer for some time now. I'd be openly shocked to hear they would not do so for random groups in D3. This is, of course, ALSO IGNORING the fact you'll most likely only be playing with your friends ANYWAY.
I can see VERY CLEARLY what is going on here. There are a ton of people on this site that absolutely cannot stand that their personal value will be hampered because they can no longer powergame. I know this because if it is not about THAT, there is no argument to even make. RMT does not affect you in THIS GAME SPECIFICALLY because its 90% a solo, or friend only, affair. The blue moon chance you decide to random it up...you won't know who bought what. I don't care WHAT you say about that, unless they are openly ranting about it...most players dont run around screaming about how awesome they are for buying something. Even if they DO...be thankful they shared how crappy they are with you and leave. They'd be just as crappy without the RMT...and you'd be forced to wait until you were time invested in the game before it surfaced.
Now...in a more traditional MMO setting...there ARE some different implications to be made. I think RMT still has a place there. But its a different place. I wouldn't ever allow top tier stuff on such a set up. I might consider entry level gear on RMT. Not at first...but as content begins to age it would certainly help bridge the gap. In either case, RMT is much more difficult in that setting. This is not that setting. Not at ALL. Its so far from comparable that I don't even see what we are discussing.
This is off topic...but I like it as well. Nice thinking, and I agree that it would make raiding a fun ideal for me again. This kind of thing is exactly why I love reading these forums.
I myself am seriously considering not buying Diablo 3 because of the RMT. While I realize it will not have any degree of impact etiher on blizzard or my gaming enjoyment, I can't help but feel like gamers in general are being pushed into buying and spending more fo rwhat we used to get for free.
Take for example FPSers. In a not too distant past maps were made by the community and some of the very best of them came from players. Now it's almost expected to wait for the developers to give a small handfull expansion and to drop anywhere from 15 to 25 dollars in the process.
Now we have been pushed so far as the very idea of what blizzard is suggesting is now okay. 10 years ago there would have been pure outrage at the thought and no game developer would even entertain the thought of this.
All I can see happening in 10 years from now is game developers more or less selling us a car without tires or an unwinable/finishable game without paying extra. Giving us a locked box and selling us the keys after the initial/first payement for said box. And then we in turn will.....thank them for it?
hehe, you problem is that you pay more attention to others gameplay than your own. Just like that old lady in my neighbourhood who like to peep into other peoples lives and complain all day long that their way of living is wrong. Is it really affecting her life? nope. But it is in her nature she just likes to be a drama queen.
So nope nothing what others do is really affecting you in D3 uness you let them.
(since there is no diablo forum)
Diablo 3's RMAH system is supposed to be a solution to the item sites that spam Diablo 2 endlessly.
But what is to prevent these sites from just buying up the entire inventory and re-listing the items again and horribly inflated prices?
Nothing really. Except that most people wouldn't pay for them at that steep of a mark up. It would be ultimately self defeating. But that doesn't mean that some will not try. ^^
This is not correct unless you are on a separate server.
Everything in the game affects you, including other players.
Unless the game mechanics prevent it.
In this case, the game mechanics don't prevent it.
dont underestimate the power of impatience.
A whole lotta GOTTA HAVE IT NAO! going around.
People are paying hundreds of dollars for unusual hats in TF2. HATS!
Exactly.
My plans for D3 are simple -- play and enjoy the game on my terms and with my friends. If someone wants to pay me real money for any rare gear I find and can't use, I have no problems selling it to them. It's their money, and it won't affect my gameplay. *shrug*
The other three million people trying to do the same thing.
Um, the market
?
I mean, you can try to start a cartel by buying up all of a certain type of good and then sell it at a higher price, but this is risky business. If you misjudge demand, or if others start regenerating supply for the good you bought out relatively quickly, you're going to take a big loss.
Cartels only work when they're able to very tightly control the supply of a market so they can fix prices, look at the DeBeers cartel for a good example. You're not going to be able to control the D3 RMAH market like that, the barrier to entry (i.e. buying the game) are way to low. Anyone can join the market.
Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
It's a freaking game, if you don't have the time to play a game then don't play it, or only play it casually. I hate these people who think that becasue they have money they are entitled to bypass a game's mechanics.
Real life resources shouldn't factor AT ALL into one's in-game success.
So for you success in a game is wearing a set of gear?It might surprise you that a lot of people find fun just doing the dungeon crawl.
I remember the days when we were young, when we play board games just for the purpose of rolling a dice with a bunch of friends. No one thinks that autofinishing the board game or autobuilding hotels over a monopoly map is fun.
Same for BBQ, we want to kill time watching the fire, if we need the finished grill, we only need to make a call for fast food delivery.
A game that demands work and dedication? Are you talking about work? Oh yeah, you use the word "work".First of all, it DOES affect my gameplay when I booted from games becasue my gear is not up to par with all the RMAH users, or when I am not given credit for my efforts because people assume I bought my gear. It also affects my gameplay when I can't realistically access the Gold AH because my legitimate ways of acquiring gold are obsolete due to inflation caused by rampant gold farming/selling/buying through the RMAH.
Secondly, sure, lots of people already RMT but it will be MUCH MUCH MORE in Diablo 3 since people don't have to risk anything to cheat. Just because you can't beat RMTers doesn't mean you should join them, specially when joining them means giving up a franchise's integrity and risking a runaway economy.
Finally, it completely destroy the point of the game: The whole point of Diablo has been killing monsters to level up and acquire loot. If the RMAH allows you to buy items, gold and characters then what's the point of the game? Fighting for no real reason? I can do that in a regular hack n slash such a God of War or any fighting game.
This whole thing has very little to do with the actual game or the player base, it's a completely corporate decision - Blizzard doesn't want to spend the money required to protect their game, instead giving up on it(and their game) and trying to profit from it.
Being booted from a game? This is Diablo. You can form your own dungeon crawl any time. And how do you know for sure that this RMAH will create inflation? There are quite some speculation that RMAH might lower price by breaking the gold farmers' monopoly.If the game for you is dungeon crawl, you can dungeon crawl forever without looking at the AH. If you look at the AH, that is your own fault.
If Blizzard believe that they can save resources and fight RMT with RMAH, let them try it. What if they are right? Maybe that turns out to be an effective method and far less costly than policing the player base. Who knows?
Agree. Moddability is good for a game. The huge library of mods for oblivion stands proof.
Endless supply from millions of players. And your limited funds to corner the market. After all, Blizzard can just up the drop rate a bit and ...Um, the market
?
I mean, you can try to start a cartel by buying up all of a certain type of good and then sell it at a higher price, but this is risky business. If you misjudge demand, or if others start regenerating supply for the good you bought out relatively quickly, you're going to take a big loss.
Cartels only work when they're able to very tightly control the supply of a market so they can fix prices, look at the DeBeers cartel for a good example. You're not going to be able to control the D3 RMAH market like that, the barrier to entry (i.e. buying the game) are way to low. Anyone can join the market.
Cartel can work if there is a real limit to supplies. If Blizzard can change drop rates ...All I can say for certain is that I will not be playing Diablo III. THIS GAME looks like it could be interesting though.
Thanks. That does look interesting. I'll keep an eye on its development.
It's simple for me I don't buy into P2W MMO's or games in general I won't touch em, its a matter of principal and ethics, plus I never have believed how much money you have should ever be a determining factor on how well you advance your character in any game. I don't embrace it and never will I play MMO's for immerision and fun and a little bit of thinking along the side , and before you tell me "Their a company they are their for profit... it's that same mentality the lead the United States over it's fiancial cliff due to greed....