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WoW mindsetting has taken over .
Was in one of the expert dungeons today and watched this guild telling a bard how to spec. "You need to spec 51 bard"
The guy wasn't doing that bad really, he was for the most part helping the healer to keep everyone alive. We did have a wipe or 2. The thing that pisses me off about it is there was only one rogue, and a guy in the other guild rolled need on the bow.
Then when the rogue asked them why they needed it. They told the rogue he was being carried and didn't deserve the bow to begin with.
Next thing you know it is being sold in trade chat. As if this guy didn't put in as much work as everyone else, so ninja his bow and sell it and split the plat with the guildies that went on the run.
Game is the spitting image of wow, I can't even wait until something else comes out. Half of the classes are not even viable if you don't spec the way everyone else is speccing. It's just bullcrap, the devs should have known this would happen rather than waste their time to make all these different combos that nobody will play because they wont be able to participate in a run without having to hear the kids flaming them the whole time.
"When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"
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Well I think the major problem we see in the situation you describe is the problem with the "PVP" servers... they are full of WoW expatriots, which is why many of us who despise that specific population in the MMO genre, stay away from the "PVP" servers. I play on Harrow, played on Sunrest, and have friends on a few PVE servers... nothing like that really goes down on these servers.
As far as classes, and mix/matching, give the game and teh devs some time. The game JUST came out and has done alot right. The game flows like a pristine river. This will allow the devs to futher balance the classes, add even more content and start working on a (god forbid I say it too early) expansion. All in all, a magnificent specimen of an MMO.
I think the pvp is ok in this game. It's just the players who are ruining the game by telling other people how they should spec their characters and then rolling need on things just to be a douche.
Then in chat people say it is acceptable to just roll need on whatever , even if you truely do not need it.
I played SWG and AION, and we never had this kind of problem , people would generally roll on what they needed and greed or pass on things they didn't.
"When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"
One can expect that in most, if not all games from this time on, you see its not the game.....its the players.
Remember there are 12 mil+ WoW players/ex-players and they will be in every game from now on.
(not all of them bad, but do the math, by the by, I am an ex-WoW player as well).
It is a pitty... I fell sorry for this MMO sometimes.
The game is great, I like it very much but the thing that makes me *facepalm* everytime is the community.
The community is horrible, really horrible! I don't like to point out fingers about where this community came from but still, it is plain silly and hope those major number of people that make the community rot go back to their MMO's in the end of the month.
I really don't care how many will stay, has long these that ruin the game go back to their caves. The sames that say "classes are unbalanced", the same that say "too many rifts" (and still, trion already lowered the frequency of those, which for some may please, for me, I am pissed and liked the number of rifts that smashed every moment, it kept the game very active), the same that say "pvp sucks", the same that say "spec this because we think it is l33t, else your a n00b, lolz". I don't care if the community lowers from 1 million to some 5k poor guys (making random numbers of course, just trying to make a point), just keep those pests away.
If you don't like this game or any at this moment, or the game you always loved for years but for some reason you don't like it now THINK for a second and say with me: "YOUR BURNED OUT OF THE GENRE, GO PLAY OTHER ONLINE GAMES OR SIT IN YOUR CORNER UNTIL SOME MAGICAL PERFECT MMO COMES OUT!!!"
I see a universe where unicorns fly... and my mother-in-law is in a grave at last.
|BEST UNIVERSE EVA AWARD|
Yeah, that's how it is in every game though. People in WoW tell you "Spec this way or your getting kicked", people in Darkfall always said, get these skills up or you won't be viable, people in pretty much every single game are like this. It isn't really a WoW thing, it's more of a general MMO issue. Every single game has builds that end up being better for something, so elitists will always complain if you don't have that build specifically.
Regardless of what MMO I'm playing or what event I'm currently engaged with ~ as soon as someone thinks its ok to tell another how to play their char or make a specific build, I quit the group and find another. Its best to just avoid these players that think they know best, and while it may hamper your progress only slightly; having to find another group, it will also end their party too.
In the end no more progress is made at that moment, and the situation with loot being hoarded as described above, wouldn't have come to pass.
It's annoying in some way.
But for the moment it feels kind of meh anyway, the day there is only raiding for gear left to do I probably have left the game anyway.
I also missed a bow as a ranger in a group didn't ever bother to ask why someone else needed it. Both had the same fair chance for it, I rolled and I lost.
On the other hand I have played most games by spening my skillpoints in whatever their incarnation is for spending that renamed selfspendable XP.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
This. I only had something like what the OP described once in WoW, it was for a Pug Raid and while it wasn't me who was being attacked I was the first to leave. Eventually the whole raid fell apart, hopefully it taught a small lesson to the silent majority who don't like this behavior.
The best way to get rid of this behavior is to not tolerate it, the more you stay in these groups the more people think it's ok to act like this.
"Great minds talk about ideas, average minds talk about events, and small minds talk about people." - Eleanor Roosevelt
"Americans used to roar like lions for liberty; now we bleat like sheep for security." -Norman Vincent Peale
Sounds like you're on a server full of Cactus Men.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
I find it hard to believe that after only 2 weeks & not even 1/4 of the population at max lvl anyone would know what the absolute best spec is. Sounds like this group/guild was just a bunch of elitist d-bags with no common courtesy toward others. Its a shame as a whole has degraded so much in the past few years.
I'm lvl45 on my rogue currently & by no means have I found Rift to be a hardcore game in any aspect. Some of the dungeons may be difficult at times but I haven't once felt the need to completely min/max my character & I'm typicall the person to do just that in other games. I'd like to feel bad for that bard but tbh, I would have just left the group. The old days off mmo's where it was just a tight knit community are long gone, my only advice is find a good guild & stick with it. Don't pug for anything, you will only end up frustrated with the game itself.
Its still not as bad as cross server pugs - the ones that poeple would drop out if there is any slight hiccup in the npc slaughter. At least with rift you have to make an effort to join a group - this leads to people more likely staying in the group and less likely to ninja a rare and dropping out.
O and the jerks you delt with is not a WoW issue, or even a MMO one, it's what happens everytime you make communications anonymous or semi-ananymous. It happens on every chat room, forum, comments sections of articles, online games, etc. The reality it that for the most part people are assholes who only play nice because society says they have to or they can't be a part of that society.
It's for these exact reasons that I play on european servers. They are either never on when i am or when they are on they are generally more mature about things.
SHAMEL
This is a standard MMO, there's nothing new or innovative at work in this game, and you expect the community to be different from any other MMORPG? Why would it be?
Unique games bring unique communities, generic games bring generic communities.
Peace and Beaverly Love
I have not ran into players like that but maybe because I am spec right, my way is the spec period. I really think my spec is my creation and not following what some others telling me and I do great on many levels from question to dungeon etc but if my spec is not fitting for a group then screw them.
I have seen serious screw ups with tank spec warriors or tanks thinking they are so, maybe just maybe with some souls we can not mix like Trion said we could, Trion needs to make all souls solid.
Actually , the bard left at the last boss... And also left the group needing another bard/ support
"When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"
And people wonder why I prefer to solo....
Not only have I noticed the talk in my guilds vent. I , however, do not pick on players... I don't tell people what to spec, and if they are in the group doing an effort and helping us along with no problem, I am fine with it.
I notice my own guild talking about players in vent "This guy sucks, the bard is out dpsing him" "I hope he is thankful that we carried him"
I noticed that the other day, I just ignore it, and continue on. I don't get in that vent very often, but I don't like it when they do it...
I'm sure people do it to me when I am the guy not in vent.
"When it comes to GW2 any game is fair game"
Wish this was true, but it's just self-congratulation. I play a special game, therefore I am special.
Never criticize a "sandbox" game on mmorpg.com. You will be drowned in a wave of kool-aid drinking fanbois.
What? Nowadays every bad player or thing which happens in a game is WoW's fault?
Mission in life: Vanquish all MMORPG.com trolls - especially TESO, WOW and GW2 trolls.
It is somewhat true. Different stores fill different niches. Healthfood stores, wallmart, local groceries, all aim at different groups of people. MMORPGS are the same as everything else, just to a lesser degree. All MMOs have a lot in common so they bring a lot of the same people, but look at Lineage2, WoW and EVE. Hardcore asian PvP based grinder, casual mainstream themepark, menu based sandbox.
All 3 of those games have assholes and nice people and casuals and hardcores, but within those groupings you'll find a very different trend in each game. This game is... pretty generic (not bad of course) so you're going to see a lot of the same people you saw in the last game you played.
Those of us who came from Wow to Rift will see a very similar group of people. Those who came from EVE will see a very different group. Not Madden playing jock vs MMO playing nerd different, but still different.
Everything creates huge amounts of negativity on the internet, that's what the internet is for: Negativity, porn and lolcats.
I wouldnt group with people who told me how to spec or play. If it was guild members, i would find a nicer guild.
and thats why you need to quit that guild and find a guild that thinks as you do , your guild should be like friendly family you can trust if u cant trust em you shouldnt be there.
as for raid loot it happens often enough in ANY GAME where loot isnt bound, most times when you pug things go south when something nice pops up in the chests and again this is why you need a good guild thats likeminded .
as for the speccing thing same diff just ignore them cuase, those that matter dont mind and those that mind dont matter!
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
I wouldn't group with idiots who told me how to play, but other people who play MMOs are the best way to learn. If you drop guild every time someone points out you're doing something wrong, you're never going to get any better.
Everything creates huge amounts of negativity on the internet, that's what the internet is for: Negativity, porn and lolcats.
This is how it is in WHATEVER game you go too. As a veteran MMO player these kinds of things aren't strictly for the WOW crowd. For me, I usually wait until everyone else rolls then roll (need/greed), but hopefully Trion makes it to where you can't roll on an item unless your archetype can use it.
Furthermore, this guy that said he was carried is completely ignorant and people who think they carry people in Rift are completely ignorant. There really is no way to measure who is doing what (lack of addons) and therefore anyone who feels they are doing really well, may not be, and vice versa. This is the beauty of a million options to build your character. Practical or not.
Why the bow wasn't BOP to begin with is beyond me. Dungeon/Raid gear needs to be BOP....or you just need to group with guildies and forget about all that business altogether.
Dude.. it's a Wow clone.. What did you expect.. Heck.. they even put it in their marketing.. "Youre not in Azeroth anymore" They build a Wow clone.. and they want the Wow groups.. simple logic.. these MMOs bore me to death.. I already canceled my sub. Good luck to anyone who wants to relevel to 85 in this game.