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A girl's perspective on Lineage 2 - this game sucks!

ChickGeekChickGeek RostovPosts: 60Member

Some of you probably picking up stones to throw at me right now… or maybe not. I have a long story related to this game. I remember when Lineage II was going to be released, everyone i knew were crazy about it, we would cut its concept-art pictures for avatars, but i couldn’t get it to play – i had a dial-up back then and would spend a month downloading 200mb file so i had to wait several years until i could try it. A friend of mine burned it on several CDs and shipped to me over 1000+km, i still had dial-up and had no credit card so i went to play on some free Russian shard. I thought it was broken, because it was extremely buggy and had almost no quests, so i dropped it. Five years had passed and many Lineage II chronicles had been released since then, and i came back to official Lineage 2 servers to see what this game was really about. I really shouldn’t have done that, because this game, no matter for how long it stays alive, is pure FAIL.

Let’s see, where should i begin? This game had been released a long time ago, so it’s graphical part is obviously pretty much outdated. I suppose, at some point NC Soft gave it a facelift by adding shader effects and sharpening the textures, but it really didn’t helped. Also, the view distance is as far as a man with shortsightedness would see without his glasses – just a few meters away from your character. Everything besides that look blurred or doesn’t exist at all. The only thing that you can clearly see, it’s your character.

The boobs! They're moving! Oh, the character! I know Lineage2 has RvR with castle sieges, and some people may be playing because of that, but my opinion is that 90% of male audience were always playing Lineage II just because of its characters. It’s the only part of this game that actually looks really good… you know… for a male. Being a female, i usually play female characters, but in Lineage2 i clearly chose the wrong gender… I had a strong feeling afterwards that the beginning of Lineage 2 was designed with young males in mind, to keep their attention with the game for as along, as possible – and female character were made for males only. Here’s why i think so…

First, female characters are very, err, feminine, especially Dark Elves - their armor for very first 25 levels look like they’re going to rape everyone, not cut their guts open. At some point my character was wearing armored greaves that actually looked like a g-string with stockings – there weren’t any other armor available for that level. So practically it looked like someone had kicked her out of her bedroom with naked ass and sent her to kill monsters until she can come back.

And this screenshot isn’t the full zoom yet, can you guess, where the camera goes then?

Also, every character model has a lot of good animations, which is rare these days. And what  is Lineage 2 famous for, is animated boobs. Every time a female character moves her boobs are jumping. Kinda even hypnotizing. Then, the camera. If you’re zooming out, it’s okay, but if you want to take a closer look at your character, well… how do i put it… it would be hard to look her in the face. When my character moved and i was zooming in, she bended over and ran, and the camera zoomed right into some… parts of her. And this screenshot isn’t the full zoom yet, can you guess, where the camera goes then? I suppose it must be very amusing and worth playing for 14 years old boys covered with pimples, but i had to stop zooming at all.

This screenshot illustrates why i stopped zooming - just in case if you're wondering why i inserted a picture like that.

Next thing i learned about this game, is that the old free Russian shard i was playing five years ago wasn’t actually to blame for bugs and lack of quests. It’s the Lineage 2 Itself i have to blame! This game is about nothing. The only thing you’re going there, is a constant grinding. It doesn’t looks so bad for first few levels, because there are several quests to do, but after you have done 5 or 6 of them you’re left with nothing beside grinding. There are these simple repeatable quests like “i give you a reward for every 10 mobs, go and kill as many as you like”. And there are also complex grinding chains, quests like “go and bring me these 10 items” and you have to find NPCs that may supply you with the items, and they want you do bring them other stuff first – and when you bring it, they may give you a random award from some list, so if this item is of lower quality than you expected, you have to repeat the quest (if you turn in the lower quality item you get less reward).

Lineage 2 is bugged like hell. Like, you need to set up a feast in a quest – an epic grinding feast, i assure you! - and it requires some food, some wine and music. You can get the wine from another NPC, in exchange for items that you may get by killing 250 mobs. But he may give you different kinds of wine, the older the better, but if he gives you a cheap wine you may want to repeat the whole killing thing and hope he’ll give you a better wine this time. I had to repeat all the killing just because i found that NPC before the feast quest-giver and sold off the wine before i learnt it was a quest item! And in Lineage 2, if you sold something, you can’t get it back unless you earn it again. And for the food  part you have to kill an uncounted number of mobs – maybe a thousand – because in some places the drop rate for the best quest item is like 1 item for each 20 mobs.

And when you reach a level where you can specialize your character – it’s just more grinding. In case with my Dark Elf, she was grinding to get her a very own and special coffin – that’s the reward you get for all this grinding! So, practically, Lineage 2 gameplay from the start and till’ the end can be described like this:

Grind, Grind, Grind, Watch the elf’ ass, Grind, Grind, Her ass is kinda huge! Grind, Grind, Grind, Grind, Zzz-zZzZz-z… wha? where? Grind, Grind, Yay, a new G-String! Grind, Grind, New achievement: congratulations, you’ve become a grinding zombie!

In Lineage II mobs and items would spawn in spots, where they aren’t even supposed to know these spots existed at all!

And to spice up things while you’re grinding and watching boobs jump, there are assortment  of bugs for you to deal with. Lineage 2 is bugged like hell, it looks totally like NC Soft using a hacked client-server they downloaded from some free shard, not made it. Some bugs are so simple and plain, they’re probably been there for many years now and no one at NC Soft even moved a finger to fix it. Like, mobs and items would spawn in spots, where they aren’t even supposed to know these spots existed at all!

And nother inserted screenshot here, not the red arrow pointing to a tree - that's where a goblin shaman tried to hide from my grinding spree.

And the few quests Lineage II has for you, they’re bugged too. There is a newbie quest to get items for an NPC, and these items in other NPCs chests and you’re given a key for each chest. I had to repeat this quest for SEVEN TIMES before it worked! First six times the key was gone after using, and the chest was still locked. With some other quests i had no patience to try so many times that they would FINALLY work – and it’s really annoying to drop a quest in a game, where the number of available quests does not exceeds the number of your fingers! And do you remember that it’s pay to play? You pay to grind and fight bugs, that’s all you’re going to ever get – an infinite bugged grindfest!

Oh, and the famous Lineage 2 pet system. It’s made just to annoy you and trigger even more grinding. First, to get a pet you have to run over half of Lineage 2 map and ask some seemingly random people how to take care about pets. And you have to write down whatever they’re saying. Yes, WRITE it! Because, i forgot to mention, in Lineage 2 important information isn’t saved for you in any way other than if you write it on a piece of paper with your own pen! Then, when you’re finished, you have to go to a pet seller NPC and pass an exam answering with the info you have gathered. After that, you can buy a pet. There are absolutely useless pets, the kind of baby ones. I guess the pet system isn’t even finished, because baby pets never grow up, they also can’t help you – at least, not in any other way than dying every single time they would try to help you. The other pets that are supposed to help you but would just do the same.

My Lineage II character - she just advanced to mini-skirts armor. I had a wolf, and he would die all the time, so finally, when i spent all my money on his resurrections, i had to put him somewhere out of mob’s aggression range, and he would stay there when i fought. If i tried to bring him into the fight, he would die even when his level matched my own, and even if i made sure to attack mobs first and then call for him, some mobs would still hit him and he died after maybe two hits. Pets use special armor, weapons and food, so the more reason to grind for you, because pets eat a lot and often – practically, they’re eating your money while not giving anything in return.

This is a long rant already, and you may be asking, if i’m coming to PvP now. No, i am not. I was playing at Luna server, and it was a bad choice as i know now, because there aren’t any other players at all. I played for a week and saw maybe 5 or 6 other players there. Half of them were Russians talking in a world chat, and two players i saw “in person”, so there were no chance at all to try PvP, unless i would try my luck and start over on another server. But i would rather bite my own ass than play this game again!

My verdict: if you want to pay for infinite, mindless, boring and bugged grinding, spiced up with naked elven chicks, Lineage 2 is the game of your dreams. Just don’t forget to instruct your relatives what to do with your body if you go totally nuts one day.

Edit: i inserted some screenshots, because someone asked for them.


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  • XpertiseXpertise BelgradePosts: 120Member

    Dont you think it's a bit arrogant to mark your personal impression of a game as a ''girl's perspective'' implying that you represent female players in total?  I dont even know why you accent the fact that you are a ''chick'' that plays games. There isn't anything strange or exotic in that anymore.

  • MithrandolirMithrandolir The Deep Woods, NJPosts: 1,698Member Uncommon

    I took her to me 'a girl's' perspective, as is... one girl's view

    not a 'girl's perspective' as in speaking for all girls

  • ShqipShqip Philadelphia, PAPosts: 61Member

    Girls prespective or not it doesnt change the fact that Lineage II sucks lol

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  • XpertiseXpertise BelgradePosts: 120Member

    Originally posted by Mithrandolir

    I took her to me 'a girl's' perspective, as is... one girl's view

    not a 'girl's perspective' as in speaking for all girls

     

     

     But why does she need to emphysize her gender in this review? Only reason i can see is that she wants to imply that her perspective is a representative of the rest of the female community.  Do you start your reviews as '' a males perspectives'' or ''a blokes view on'' ?

  • twruletwrule Daly City, CAPosts: 1,251Member

    A Korean MMO that's grindy and objectifies females?  Shut the front door.

    Anyway, the one thing I think L2 did right was the openness of the world.  There was a lot of interesting places to find if you just wandered around the map aimlessly (which is pretty much what you have to do anyway to maintain sanity during the grind).  Well, it's interesting until you run into enemies that overwhelm you (which is pretty much anywhere but the starting zones)...

    Just be glad you didn't play when the newbie zones had armies of pkers swarming around, keeping you in the bounds of town.

  • MithrandolirMithrandolir The Deep Woods, NJPosts: 1,698Member Uncommon

    The only real fun I had in L2 was at launch when we'd slaughter gold farmers constantly.

    and they'd yell  "PK! PK! USA DOG!"

    Would always warm my heart to kill them ;)

     

     

  • NilenyaNilenya TMIPosts: 364Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Xpertise

    Dont you think it's a bit arrogant to mark your personal impression of a game as a ''girl's perspective'' implying that you represent female players in total?  I dont even know why you accent the fact that you are a ''chick'' that plays games. There isn't anything strange or exotic in that anymore.

    It's a little much to asume she 1) feels like she represents all girls, and 2) feels special about being a "chick" in gaming.

     

    But to the OPs thread and her title. A big part of the wall of text was her grievances with the outrageous and in your face, female attributes on the dark elf toon. I think it is highly likely that it annoys her exactly because she is a woman. So yeah, its relevant to her post to make it a point to tell us she is one.

     

    Lineage 2 imo caters to people who enjoy a strong guild, lots of content from the pvp side of things and from social bonds with other players there. Its not a wow; instant gratification, play an hour and achieve something tangible with your time. I prefer the latter myself compared to L2, which I found simply to repetitive in the levelling phase. I never got past lvl 65 on my Gladiator I think she was. It bored me to death. But that doesnt mean it cant be exactly what someone else is looking for, so I'll refrain from labelling the game as bad or saying that it sucks. Its definately not my cup of tea though.

  • mcrippinsmcrippins Dallas, TXPosts: 1,071Member Uncommon

    I like Lineage 2.. and i'm a male... omg!

  • ClaesClaes HerningPosts: 265Member

    Hey baby.

    In my opinion, you've missed a lot about Lineage 2 that's worth mentioning. Granted, the game is a huge grind, but for me, it was never about killing the regular monsters or completing the lacky quests.

    It was about the raids, the trade, economy and politics, all of which you would never be able to participate in, if you only played for a week.

    The game will always have a special place in my heart, even though I haven't played it for a while. If any of my friends suggested we started again, I would be there in a split-second.

    Nothing competes with the group work in that game. You can really pull off miracles.

     

    Oh, and by the way - The graphics have been updated thoroughly, and will be updated again in the "Lineage 2 - New Project", something they'll talk much more about during G-Star.

    Lastly, the wolf sucked donkey balls in my opinion as well, there's no need to have it.

     

    TLDR?

    Short version: Lineage 2 is awesome, if you have the time and patience it requires.

     

    EDIT: I don't get the whole boobs thing either. Why not create awesome armors for female as well?

  • XpertiseXpertise BelgradePosts: 120Member

    Originally posted by Nilenya

    But to the OPs thread and her title. A big part of the wall of text was her grievances with the outrageous and in your face, female attributes on the dark elf toon. I think it is highly likely that it annoys her exactly because she is a woman. So yeah, its relevant to her post to make it a point to tell us she is one.

     

     

    You dont have to be a woman to get offended by oversexualisation of female characters in an mmo. I'm a male and i feel offended by that. I hate it when devs think that they can buy we with iron thongs and huge boobs.

  • Xero_ChanceXero_Chance Salina, KSPosts: 519Member

    A lot of what OP said is true, not only for Lineage II but for other games.

    Let's face it, Lineage II is about the same quality as great generic F2P korean grinders such as 9Dragons, Rappelz, Flyff, and more.

    All WITH a sub fee!

    It's half the quality at twice the price, what a steal!

    Maybe this game seemed good at release, but holding onto the P2P model with this outdated game is like charging people to come to your house and play Megaman on your Dreamcast.

  • twruletwrule Daly City, CAPosts: 1,251Member

    Originally posted by Claes

    Hey baby.

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  • ClaesClaes HerningPosts: 265Member

    Originally posted by twrule

    Originally posted by Claes

    Hey baby.

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  • ClaesClaes HerningPosts: 265Member

    Originally posted by xenomonk123

    Lol sounds like fat guys/girls getting mad at what people are supposed to look like, don't be mad! dont hate on korean people if you don't have a skinny waste and huge tits it's ok! Slimfast baby! also followed by a regular diet and working out will make you look more like a lineage 2 character but i doubt you'd be fat in the first place if you had the ability to stop shoving twinkies down your throat while you complain about big breasted females that look better in game than you do irl. You owned yourself fatty

     

    Haha, I can't believe you created an account to rage :)

  • jonrd463jonrd463 Tacoma, WAPosts: 598Member

    Originally posted by xenomonk123

    lol @ fatties mad at game models!

    ....

     

    And so the target market speaks.

    "You'll never win an argument with an idiot because he is too stupid to recognize his own defeat." ~Anonymous

  • RecoreRecore Posts: 5,097Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by afropuff420

    I like Lineage 2.. and i'm a male... omg!

     

     

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  • RecoreRecore Posts: 5,097Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Shqip

    Girls prespective or not it doesnt change the fact that Lineage II sucks lol

     

     

    You playing a game that failed as a pay to play mmo in only 3 years so your comments are totally not even worthy.

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  • ShqipShqip Philadelphia, PAPosts: 61Member

    Originally posted by Mannish

    Originally posted by Shqip

    Girls prespective or not it doesnt change the fact that Lineage II sucks lol

     

     

    You playing a game that failed as a pay to play mmo in only 3 years so your comments are totally not even worthy.

    Go click to move lmao 

    and for lotro is one of the most successful mmos and I still p2p the f2p is an option for people that dont want to play. L2 is famous cause of pirate servers no one pays for that korean grinder piece of crap lol

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  • XpertiseXpertise BelgradePosts: 120Member

    Originally posted by Shqip

    Originally posted by Mannish


    Originally posted by Shqip

    Girls prespective or not it doesnt change the fact that Lineage II sucks lol

     

     

    You playing a game that failed as a pay to play mmo in only 3 years so your comments are totally not even worthy.

    Go click to move lmao 

     

    What's wrong with Click to Move ?

  • ShqipShqip Philadelphia, PAPosts: 61Member

    Originally posted by Xpertise

    Originally posted by Shqip


    Originally posted by Mannish


    Originally posted by Shqip

    Girls prespective or not it doesnt change the fact that Lineage II sucks lol

     

     

    You playing a game that failed as a pay to play mmo in only 3 years so your comments are totally not even worthy.

    Go click to move lmao 

     

    What's wrong with Click to Move ?

    Whats right with click to move it sucks bad thats whats wrong i see strategy games as click to play but mmos are way better now only few dissappointment mmos have still click to move

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  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAPosts: 18,461Member Uncommon

    Op, you might not like the game but I don't think you understand what the game was about.

    It was about player interaction, controlling resources, cland solidarity or lack thereof, economic mastery.

    The "grinding" was the mecahnic that allowed all that to happen.

    It's the only game I've ever played where it felt like a world. A world with villains, heroes, good guys, bad guys and battles that felt like they mattered.

     

    edit: and you keep talking about quests. Not a questing game. It's about one alliance closing down cruma tower and having to be forced out by players. It's about your alliance members being PK'ed in Tower of insolence so you gather our alliance to march to the top to destory the offenders. It's about your alliance gathering together to destroy the raid of another alliance only to find out as you rise over the ridge that they have a HUGE army formed and you get obliterated.

    It's about the infamous players who would hold dion hostage, fighting gold farmers for raids, helping new players as they were often scammed, knowing the market place and using it to your advantage.

    Quests?

    No one did quests, at least not after you got out of the new players zone. You are entitled to your opinion but you don't really talk about what the game was actually about.

  • XpertiseXpertise BelgradePosts: 120Member

    Originally posted by Shqip

    Originally posted by Xpertise

     

    What's wrong with Click to Move ?

    Whats right with click to move it sucks bad thats whats wrong i see strategy games as click to play but mmos are way better now only few dissappointment mmos have still click to move

     

    ''Click to move is wrong because it sucks bad'' is not a very good explanation.

  • RecoreRecore Posts: 5,097Member Uncommon

    Originally posted by Shqip

    Originally posted by Mannish

    Originally posted by Shqip

    Girls prespective or not it doesnt change the fact that Lineage II sucks lol

     

     

    You playing a game that failed as a pay to play mmo in only 3 years so your comments are totally not even worthy.

    Go click to move lmao 

    and for lotro is one of the most successful mmos and I still p2p the f2p is an option for people that dont want to play. L2 is famous cause of pirate servers no one pays for that korean grinder piece of crap lol

     Lotro is one of the most succesful mmos? How can a game thats went FTP in only 3 years when it should have peaked around that time be called one of the most succesful mmos? I guess DDO is one of the most successfull mmos too then right? LMAO

    If nobody paid for Lineage 2 then how come the game is still here afther 7 years? Why is the game still today holding on to over 2 million subs world wide? There are more people playing Private Server Lineage 2 then retail Lord Of The Rings.  That my friend is success.

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  • DevilXaphanDevilXaphan n/a, LAPosts: 1,144Member

    Well your entiteled to your opinon but i have met some women who did like it when i played. True the game is a grind and the quests suck but there are other aspects of the game that are enjoyed. The pets in their early stages are very vunerable in PvE except for the wolf and hatchling when reaching level 55 evolve in combat power and survivability.

    As other have said L2 is more about the guilds, socialability and pvp that make the game fun to play. There are many sites that give major info about all aspects of what's in the game even what the different races look like in armor.

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  • RecoreRecore Posts: 5,097Member Uncommon

    I guess this is a good time for me to say that I have free trial keys and return keys for anybody thats intrested. PM meimage

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