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Why do people behave in such a hostile manner to eachother on these forums. Sometimes it isn't even swearing or anything but just some kind of 'intellectual agression'. What I mean with this, is that many people are very focussed on being 'right' and putting other people in their place. I see more debate then actual discussion on these forums. It becomes even more annoying when someone actually posts an interesting argument that people just bash on spelling or something else that is pointless to make it invalid somehow. It is like people just never want to feel like they are giving in to someone elses arguments or opinion, they will never admit that they are wrong or that others may have a point. They always think they are smarter than others and have better arguments/opinions than others. To be honest you are just as ignorant as very religious people who only accept their opinion or believe as the actual truth. There is not such thing as one pure truth, everything is relative as every coin has two sides. Some people really should stop dealing in absolutes and consider other peoples arguments, because the abillity to to imagine oneself into the views and beliefs of other people is actually a great way to come to new and (maybe) more complete insights....
Also can we PLEASE drop the HATER calling? It is the most rediculous thing ive ever heard. You actually think that people come to these forums to post negative posts about a game they dislike for the sake of hating? Really? I think somebody needs to have some serious issues if you would constantly bash a game without any arguments, just for the sake of bashing it. What would such actions accomplish? Do you really think that people have nothing better to do? I rather think think that most of these so called haters just want to express their opinion on the game and this opinion can be either postive or negative. But you guys make it sound like some rediculous conspiracy. The problem is you just don't want to hear anything negative. And sure there are people who are overly negative without valid arguments, yet most of the time people do come with argumentation for their opinion, but the 'fanboys' call them haters anyway without giving any counter arguments. I see things as "If you don't like it, why do you come to these forums" or "If you dislike it, do not play it" (basicly, both just mean fuck off). Really, so instead of discussing games (aka the main function of a forum), you'd rather don't hear anything incoherent with your opinion and to accomplish this the people who hold such opinions should leave the forum, so that you can live in ignorance? I think its you who should leave these FORUMS and go to a FANSITE. Seriously go there, you will fit in perfectly.....
A short example from the TOR forums (not 100% quoted): "From what i've seen in the gameplay videos, the cobat seems rather boring and not very innovative, so I am not very thrilled for ToR".
Now lets take a look at the answers:
a. How can you say that? It is just a video, how can you base your opinion on the game on such limited information?
b. How can you judge a game that isn't out yet.
c. The creators nevers said it would be innovative so people really should stop hating about this.
d. If you do not like it, do not play it/ go away from this forum.
Now a and c are actually arguments that could be valid, if they wern't used to counter the opinion of the OP. I mean sure a gameplay video from and unfinished game may deceive you, however that doesn't mean that you can not form an opnion on the actual things you have seen. He is saying that he does not like what he SEES in the video. How can you possibly counter that? Its an opinion you just cant counter. Also if the things he didn't like are dealbreakers for this person, then you cant say that he shouldnt base his opinion about the whole game on this single video. Further A and C are just good enough to relativise the OP's statement and are merely considerations, they do not COUNTER the OP or makes his statement less valid. Maybe he does not care what the intentions of the developer are, he just gives his opnion regardless of that.
B and D are just completely rediculous, D for reasons I mentioned earlier and B for the fact that it is completely reversable (you can not like a game that is not out yet).
I am giving this example because the people who give these answers (there are a lot) actually consider the OP a HATER with no valid argument. Yet his argument is very valid and none of the answers are arguments that come even close to devalue the OP's argument, so do not use them in this manner.
Now the second prargraph especially maybe a little overreacted, since everything is relative ofcourse and there also a lot of people on which this rant does not apply in general. For those where this rant does apply to however: Maybe you should take a day off, or maybe you should consider going into an actual face-to-face discussion in real life, because I'm quite sure you wouldn't be this hostile to your mother or friends, and probably even less to complete strangers. Or maybe just accept that not everybody shares your opinion and you are not always right....