I personally dont care if people engage into homosexual acts aslong as it is private and not in my face. Something that I think alot of people labeled "homophobes" are like and I very much would like to know if a media has homosexual sex in it so I can avoid playing those. And no, a label saying "contains sexual content" is not enough. Rather it should say contains deviant sexual content because that is what homosexuality is: deviant, i.e. differs from the norm which is heterosexuality. Because as you stated only roughly 10% are homosexual.
So movies, albums, books should also implement a "contains deviant sexual content" label? What about a "contains individuals taking drugs" label? Or "contains characters who use profane words" label? "Contains passages with extreme religious content"?
or maybe it can have a mature rating and people can just read about the content and judge for themselves?
I mean, people keep saying how they dont' want "hand holding" in video games. It would seem to be a bit hypocritical to say they don't like dumbing things down or hand holding but then need every little bit of anything that might possibly be offensive spelled out.
Sort of reminds me of the Southpark where the town decided to remove anything that might be considered remotely offensive from the Christmas pagent only to turn it into some sort of weird experimental dance piece with the music of philip glass.
I agree that some material should not be shoved in others' faces. But I also strongly believe that we can be adults, suck it up and do our own research as well.
I thorougly believe that any reasonable adult should be able to handle this.
Its a HUGE difference between warning people that such content exist instead of removing it. I am sure you are aware of this but you seem to want to make people think Im a bigot by equating the two.
Nice try but gl next time. I said WARN not remove. I for example am against homosexual behaviour since it both goes against my religion and against laws of nature so I have the right to avoid such content and not support companies that produces media abou it. And I have every right to do so, and so has anyone else in a free society. Because that is the flipside of freedom. you have the freedom to avoid content you dont like as well as expressing the ones you do like.
Things like kiddie porn and bestiality is something that is obvious that you dont need to be subjected to (even though the latter is legal in many countries) yet for gay sex I have to be subject to it without given due warning. Why?
The south park referrence was just that it reminded me of focusing on bits that were offensive and that after they were actually removed things got bland.
But you are correct, you said warn. I was not insinuating that you said remove. I questioned whether to mention the South Park reference but the discussion of focusing on bits of games that offended people just "reminded" me of the southpark episode.
I have't read enough of your posts to say if you are a bigot. Merriam Webster says:
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
I know of very religious people who, though they don't like homosexuality, are tolerant of and not judgemental of gays and lesbians. heck, my own mother is a born again christian but her stance on the whole thing is that "god will decide what he will decide and it's none of my business".
Whether or not you should have to be subjected to homosexuality in games? Well, that's a tough one. I say that because I always believe that everyone has the right to live their lives the way they want provided that it doesn't interfere with another's and that they live a lawful life.
but still, I think one mature rating and leaving it up to the individual to find out what that entails is perfectly fine. Again, movies should not have to have a rated R and also a disclaimer that two men or two women are kissing. books should not have to have a rating and a disclaimer that two men or two women are married within the story.
Games are just easing into the same place as other media. I think people who play games can have a myopic view when it comes to realizing that games are just like other media when it comes to their inclusion in the mainstream. Games are growing up. And with that they will experience all the issues that movies and books and music experienced. Part of that is censorhip and ratings.
And yes, I am not for censorship but I am for letting people know that an item has mature content. I don't think one has to spell it out though I could easily see a source that has ratings for all sorts of movies and books and music and goes into detail about what is "inside".
But look there was a time (and I'm sure there are still people who feel this) that a Black woman and a white man kissing might make them sick. I think there is less of that feeling now. But people would claim the very same "it sickens me" reason for not wanting to see it. "Two people of different races should never mingle (what different races in my opinion? We are all one race, just some people have better tans) and it's against nature".
As for me, I'm in a very liberal state and a very liberal city. I see people of the same sex holding hands and kissing quite a bit. At first it was a bit shocking as you don't see it often but after a while it becomes part of the wall paper of life.
but that's not the issue is it. You don't want to see homosexuality in media. I still think that listing every bit of what might possibly be offensive is overkill. I can understand people not wanting to see certan things. Heck, I'd rather see two men or women giving each other a kiss goodbye over two heterosexual people sloppily making out on a park bench.
A mature rating and perhaps in this day and age a website for "more information" should suffice.
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For all those ok with the homosexual scenes in the game would you still be ok if it had scenes of pedophilia, coprophilia. or necrophilia? All are examples of sexuality outside the "norm". I am just curious.
Lol Coprophillia, necrophillia and pedophilia are not even in the same realm of homosexually.
Seriously you need to grow up.
Alright maybe I went a bit far including coprophillia and necrophillia (which I will go back and edit out) but not so with pedophilia. In one someone is sexually attracted to the member of the same sex and the other someone is sexually attracted to prepubescent children. I was asking a serious question of how far are people ok with games going these days. Would people still be okay if the game had featured the same human male having sex with a 12 year olf elf girl? Or whatever.
The very fact that this issue is a controversy and given the number of posts showing it is an issue for many, proves quite soundly that modern human civilization is made of pure fail. We may have great weapons and advanced technology, but there is nothing great or advanced about our closed and narrow minded state of thought. Humanity needs to get out of the dark ages and grow up.
What is “Pure fail”? I presume you mean “Pure Evil” anyd you are wrong. People are neither “Good” nor “Evil” they are “Gullible”. That allows demagogues to drive public opinion in the direction beneficial to the demagogues. He vast percentage of the population is concerned with their own lives, do not have the time to study an issue, thus follow the loudest voice they hear, usually from the Pulpit. “You never ask questions when God’s on your side.” Religious hierarchy says their job is to “Tend the Sheep” explains a power relationship. Politicians are no different; they to understand voters can be manipulated by slogans, catch phrases, and fear.
This is not “The Dark Age”, nor unfortunately is it “The Renaissance”, or a period of “Enlightenment”. The “Age of Aquarius” has morphed into “The Age of Hucksters”.
“When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know, the end result is tyranny and oppression no matter how holy the motives.” Robert A. Heinlein
Nice tangent...
Nope, I do not mean pure evil, that is fully your own interpretation. Try again, for I am enjoying your take on this, though you are not seeing what I meant, which is cool in this case, given I agree with your Robert A. Heinlein quote.
As far as your "People are Gullible" stance, I fully agree.
Thanks for the compliment, however I still don't understand what you went by the words "pure fail". Please explain.
I feel bigotry, narrow mindedness,and the gulibility you mentioned as the "Pure Fail."
I feel, as a species, we are failing... we cannot let people be themselves... we are trashing the planet... we are full of greed and corruption... we are more worried about who the other guy sleeps with than minding our own lives...and so on.
I understand that societies must have their rules and strictures, but frankly there are times when I think we are so stunted and primitive in our collective mindset.
Our technology is advancing nicely, but I feel "we" are not. This is a potentially very dangerous state to be in-- one that could be lethal to humanity, or far worse: create such a bleak world that is so full of oppression and aggression that we may well wish that all the hype about 2012 was really true.
*waits for WorldNews daily to burn in flames when the gay and lesbian community sees what they said* F*cking morons. They just painted themselves as homophobes. Way to go genius!
*giggle* Anyways, it doesn't even mention....Leliana and a female character just Zev and a male character...this is only part of the article it goes on about Connor after that. What is the problem really??? You don't HAVE to be male to sleep with Zev, you can be female too...
This is just to fuel the many prejudice fools into a rage. This will also upset more religious followers then anything, wonder what Westboro Baptist Church would do with this?
I don't even understand why games have ratings anymore, I guess they missed the big M that contained information about sexual activity in the game. I'll never understand people being so uncomfortable with sex.
What I will never, ever in a million years understand is how comfortable we are with violence and how uncomfortable we are with sex. I'm a 30 year old man, but I recall clearly watching vivid news footage of people getting shot and killed in Beirut, Lebanon over 20 years ago. Blood, children dying in the streets, etc. My father had no problem gleefully explaining the violence and war to seven year old child.
However, a sex scene on TV would make both of my parents flush with shame. It was apparently so difficult to explain how adults act when they are in love with one another - and yet so easy to explain how humans beat and murder each other with impunity.
I know. Anyone else remember the South Park movie when Klyes mom says "Horrific deplorable violence is ok, as long as you dont say any naughty words while doing it!" This is kinda the same. The sex is NOT "dirty". It's pretty mature really. Methinks homophobes are hiding out at WorldNews and they are gonna get their comeuppance. Start looking for a new job pal! Have fun finding one in this economy. Seriously I would can that guy if I were his boss. His tactless use of words would make Worldnews look like they hate gays and lesbians. He better spew out an appology and fast.
Alright maybe I went a bit far including coprophillia and necrophillia (which I will go back and edit out) but not so with pedophilia. In one someone is sexually attracted to the member of the same sex and the other someone is sexually attracted to prepubescent children. I was asking a serious question of how far are people ok with games going these days. Would people still be okay if the game had featured the same human male having sex with a 12 year olf elf girl? Or whatever.
Originally posted by Yamota Originally posted by Dana Originally posted by battleaxe Originally posted by dhayes68 Originally posted by battleaxe Homosexuality, multiple-partner sex, bestiality, and adultery are all forms of sexual deviance that are morally wrong in almost every culture. Protesting against blatant sexual deviance is not homophobia. However protesting against sexual deviance in a game where the object is to run around killing people is a bit absurd.
First of all to claim deviance you have to accept that there is a norm that is being deviated from. And you just can't do that. People all over the world throughout all times have done different things to get off. The idea that a sexual behavior is deviant is false. Those things are not morally wrong in every culture. I understand that since you think those things are deviant, you also think that 'right-thinking' people all over the world agree with you, but its just not the case. Now lets assume for the sake of argument that there is a sexual norm, and the things you listed do indeed deviate from that norm. That still doesn't mean those things are wrong, or morally wrong. Different doesn't mean wrong. Also you can't show any harm, so protesting against gay people IS homophobia.
The permissiveness of the US secular culture does not extend to the rest of the world. These acts ARE morally wrong in almost every culture. In some cultures, it even goes so far as to be punished by the death penalty for those who get caught in such situations. If you disagree, go to Saudi Arabia and practice homosexuality publicly. Despite your wishing otherwise, morally wrong is morally wrong. Those with moral standards have the right to protest against that which they find immoral. Protesting against public display of sexual deviance is not homophobia, it's an attempt to bring moral values to their community and dissuade those practicing deviant behavior from committing immoral acts. The harm is to both those witnessing the acts and those committing them. If you were to stop someone who was about to cut off their hand, would you be handectomyphobic? No, you'd be expressing concern for that person's well-being.
That's not even remotely true. Romans, Greeks and all sorts of other cultures throughout history were completely OK with homosexuality. Historically speaking, in Western culture at least, this moral outcry is a relatively (IE: in the hundreds of years) new development. Sure, there are cultures where you cannot openly be gay, but there are also cultures where you cannot eat certain animals on certain days of the week. Every culture has its quirks. But to paint that with such a complete brush is absolutely absurd from a historical point of view. The fact is, modern science should tell people thinking homosexuality is a choice or immoral is ridiculous. Biologically speaking, 10% of ducks are gay. Get over it. From historical point of view the norm has been that homosexuality is a mortal sin. It is hinted in the Old Testament which is thousands of years old and God even destroyed a whole city which engaged in deviant sexual behaviour (including homesexuality). So those cultures where it has been accepted has been the exception rather than the norm and those cultures no longer exist. From an evolutional perspective it is a death sentance for a heterosexual species to be homosexual for obvious reasons so not only is it immoral, in many cultures, but it is also evolutionary wrong. That being said I dont think it is "evil" or anything but rather a deficiency that some people give way too much attention to (on both sides). I personally dont care if people engage into homosexual acts aslong as it is private and not in my face. Something that I think alot of people labeled "homophobes" are like and I very much would like to know if a media has homosexual sex in it so I can avoid playing those. And no, a label saying "contains sexual content" is not enough. Rather it should say contains deviant sexual content because that is what homosexuality is: deviant, i.e. differs from the norm which is heterosexuality. Because as you stated only roughly 10% are homosexual.
I think you're confusing "Christianity" with "the whole world". Acceptance has been the norm untill the monotheistic crusades forced it's views on the rest of the world. You know, the same people who told us the world was flat untill a century ago, and who tell people in Africa to not use condoms and who twisted the concept of religion into a business for their own glory and riches. But they still find time to lecture everyone on "what's right".
*waits for WorldNews daily to burn in flames when the gay and lesbian community sees what they said* F*cking morons. They just painted themselves as homophobes. Way to go genius!
Funny you would mention "flames" in a remark about homosexuals.
*waits for WorldNews daily to burn in flames when the gay and lesbian community sees what they said* F*cking morons. They just painted themselves as homophobes. Way to go genius!
Funny you would mention "flames" in a remark about homosexuals.
Except that I was basically speaking for the homosexuals. The person who described the Dragon Age sex as "dirty gay sex" is going to be in hot water for that.
I think this is just a typical example of our absurd and needlessly bashful approach to anything sexual.
Sex is a completely natural act, whether between a man and a woman or - at the risk of being verbally crucified by the sexually repressed religious fanatics - a man and another man, or a woman and another woman. It's part of humanity's need to be deeply connected to another.
When I discovered you could have heterosexual and homosexual relationships in Dragon Age: Origins, I was very pleased. It's about time a game developer has the balls to break down the walls of sexual taboo brought about by the politically correct and painfully old-fashioned masses. Kudos to Bioware, I say. They've done it not once, but twice!
It amazes me how insanely bashful we are on the subject of sex - PARTICULARLY when it comes to the homosexual side of it. I mean, we live in a world of fifty foot tall billboards adorned with women donning naught but strategically placed scraps of cloth, and sex in just about every nook and cranny of the media.
It's the 21st century. It's about time we start shedding the antiquated social taboos.
DA:O The opportunity to virtually get laid in a game hehe. However, sexual content, all censored, because we are not talking about any "Hentai game" or something, touched on some aspects "taboo" in society (any country that has a faction of conservative vision will not find the game funny). As part of the gay aspect, only if you choose in the game line, it gives an opportunity to miss out the gay choice, despite having given me the feeling of some parts the devs trying to foist a choice on the gay side, most annoying was the elvish assassin , If you decide to recruit him, but u can escape if u choose . The game also creates a little controversy about the prostitution, the oldest profession in the world, some say ... summarizing the game really has sexual content and hurt some conservative sensibilities. But the truth, like any product, even in sexshops , just buy who wanna. In my country and mostly of others, the game is labeled for +18 years old, so warns that have content that should only be manuzes by personnel vaccinated about that .
Wouldn't the oldest profession in the world be Hunter or Wood-Chopper?
Or some form of getting food.
Prostitution also requires a women to SELL her body for goods/services. I don't even think economy was invented back then. Having sex doesn't make a women a prostitute either.
So I'm sticking with the oldest profession being Hunter-Gatherer, or some form of Leader or Tool-maker.
In fact both man and woman fit within the definition of prostitution, if you choose. I was kidding with a theory on prostitution that some people talk, I will not tell the whole story here, maybe when you listen to it, you can notice the mean.
Oh my god, get the hell over it media. the game is not aired toward little children it is aired toward the adult thus LABELED M FOR MATURE. when u log onto the site it ask for your birth date.
Another lesson as a parent if a game says mature do not buy it for your little ones. hello i have 4 children. I played the game would i let my children play the game probably not if there not near the age that they fully understand what there seeing.
but the news needs to do there real job examine real life not a fantasy one.
and again the romance in bioware's games are OPTIONAL in other words you can avoid it if you want to
OHH AND COME ON MEDIA IS A FKIN GAME
I LOVE BIOWARE'S GAME FROM KOTOR-DRAGON AGE WOOT GO BIOWARE
Games I will be playing are: TES V, SWTOR, ME 3, TSW
Oh my god, get the hell over it media. the game is not aired toward little children it is aired toward the adult thus LABELED M FOR MATURE. when u log onto the site it ask for your birth date. Another lesson as a parent if a game says mature do not buy it for your little ones. hello i have 4 children. I played the game would i let my children play the game probably not if there not near the age that they fully understand what there seeing. but the news needs to do there real job examine real life not a fantasy one. and again the romance in bioware's games are OPTIONAL in other words you can avoid it if you want to OHH AND COME ON MEDIA IS A FKIN GAME
I LOVE BIOWARE'S GAME FROM KOTOR-DRAGON AGE WOOT GO BIOWARE
You would be correct if we lived in a world/country where parenting was left up to the parents. But parenting is another aspect of our lives that the government has decided to take control of.
Oh my god, get the hell over it media. the game is not aired toward little children it is aired toward the adult thus LABELED M FOR MATURE. when u log onto the site it ask for your birth date. Another lesson as a parent if a game says mature do not buy it for your little ones. hello i have 4 children. I played the game would i let my children play the game probably not if there not near the age that they fully understand what there seeing. but the news needs to do there real job examine real life not a fantasy one. and again the romance in bioware's games are OPTIONAL in other words you can avoid it if you want to OHH AND COME ON MEDIA IS A FKIN GAME
I LOVE BIOWARE'S GAME FROM KOTOR-DRAGON AGE WOOT GO BIOWARE
You would be correct if we lived in a world/country where parenting was left up to the parents. But parenting is another aspect of our lives that the government has decided to take control of.
To a point they regulate us but not as much as you think esrb rated the game mature for good reasons and it is up to the parent to decide if they think the game is suitible for children or not. I live in the united states and its still a free country some what. lol.
Games I will be playing are: TES V, SWTOR, ME 3, TSW
Oh my god, get the hell over it media. the game is not aired toward little children it is aired toward the adult thus LABELED M FOR MATURE. when u log onto the site it ask for your birth date. Another lesson as a parent if a game says mature do not buy it for your little ones. hello i have 4 children. I played the game would i let my children play the game probably not if there not near the age that they fully understand what there seeing. but the news needs to do there real job examine real life not a fantasy one. and again the romance in bioware's games are OPTIONAL in other words you can avoid it if you want to OHH AND COME ON MEDIA IS A FKIN GAME
I LOVE BIOWARE'S GAME FROM KOTOR-DRAGON AGE WOOT GO BIOWARE
You would be correct if we lived in a world/country where parenting was left up to the parents. But parenting is another aspect of our lives that the government has decided to take control of.
When you have people demonstrating superb parenting skills, like for example Sarah Palin, someone has to be the mommy.
CH, Jedi, Commando, Smuggler, BH, Scout, Doctor, Chef, BE...yeah, lots of SWG time invested.
Oh my god, get the hell over it media. the game is not aired toward little children it is aired toward the adult thus LABELED M FOR MATURE. when u log onto the site it ask for your birth date. Another lesson as a parent if a game says mature do not buy it for your little ones. hello i have 4 children. I played the game would i let my children play the game probably not if there not near the age that they fully understand what there seeing. but the news needs to do there real job examine real life not a fantasy one. and again the romance in bioware's games are OPTIONAL in other words you can avoid it if you want to OHH AND COME ON MEDIA IS A FKIN GAME
I LOVE BIOWARE'S GAME FROM KOTOR-DRAGON AGE WOOT GO BIOWARE
You would be correct if we lived in a world/country where parenting was left up to the parents. But parenting is another aspect of our lives that the government has decided to take control of.
When you have people demonstrating superb parenting skills, like for example Sarah Palin, someone has to be the mommy.
rofl awesome reply. to me its common sense but i forgot common sense is not common any more.
Games I will be playing are: TES V, SWTOR, ME 3, TSW
I have nothing against the game, I'm an adult, I'm not challenged by pixels.
However the writer(s?) on website which called it "dirty gay sex" should be condemned as a bigot and a homophobe. He/she didn't criticize the game for its "dirty straight sex," did they?
Sigh. To think we're living in thee 21st c.
So because someone does not agree with you, they should be condemned?? ohh wait, forgot thats how liberals think, be tolerant of everyone that agrees with you and condemn the rest as being intolerant...
Sigh. To think we're living in the 21st c.
Your moral relativism is flawed. It's not ok to turn a tolerant check to bigotry and hate and say "Oh, it's just THEM having THEIR ideas." Sure, tolerance is a key to a civil society, but for issues of hate, prejudice and bigotry, action must be taken.
We in America condemned racism in the 1950s and fought hard to pass the civil rights act. Should we have just not fought and said "Oh, stop being so intolerant of our (racist) prejudice which keep blacks from being equals in America."
Women, too, were institutionally discriminated against in America, until we fought hard in the early 20th c. to get women the vote. Should we have just said "Oh, quite being so intolerant of our views, women should stay home barefoot and pregnant!"
Germany was taking over Europe in the late 1930s. Should we have just said, "Oh, let him go about his business. Just bc YOU don't believe in the Final Solution doesn't mean we shouldn't let people do what they want."
Bigotry, hate, racism and sexual discrimination need to be called out when we see it. But Quicksand, go ahead, accuse me of intolerance all you want. *sigh*
Oh my god, get the hell over it media. the game is not aired toward little children it is aired toward the adult thus LABELED M FOR MATURE. when u log onto the site it ask for your birth date. Another lesson as a parent if a game says mature do not buy it for your little ones. hello i have 4 children. I played the game would i let my children play the game probably not if there not near the age that they fully understand what there seeing. but the news needs to do there real job examine real life not a fantasy one. and again the romance in bioware's games are OPTIONAL in other words you can avoid it if you want to OHH AND COME ON MEDIA IS A FKIN GAME
I LOVE BIOWARE'S GAME FROM KOTOR-DRAGON AGE WOOT GO BIOWARE
You would be correct if we lived in a world/country where parenting was left up to the parents. But parenting is another aspect of our lives that the government has decided to take control of.
When you have people demonstrating superb parenting skills, like for example Sarah Palin, someone has to be the mommy.
You are right, I sometimes forget that some people feel the need for the U.S. government to tell them what to do and when to do it. As fro your Palin remark, the only problem i have with her is Im afraid she will run as an independent and split the conservative vote which will in turn allow another 4 yrs of government takeovers and intrusion. But as I said, some people need the government to care for them, I am just not one of those.
Oh geez! Adult gamers have an adult game to play. The world is lost!
I haven't played this game, but I'm glad at least a few games are made for adults. Is it really so bad to have some games taliored to people that are out of high school?
I think it's kinda sad that this is even a controversy.
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Since the topic of Necrophilia has come up. There was was a young Necrophile who grew up to achieve his lifelong dream. He became County Coroner.
So movies, albums, books should also implement a "contains deviant sexual content" label? What about a "contains individuals taking drugs" label? Or "contains characters who use profane words" label? "Contains passages with extreme religious content"?
or maybe it can have a mature rating and people can just read about the content and judge for themselves?
I mean, people keep saying how they dont' want "hand holding" in video games. It would seem to be a bit hypocritical to say they don't like dumbing things down or hand holding but then need every little bit of anything that might possibly be offensive spelled out.
Sort of reminds me of the Southpark where the town decided to remove anything that might be considered remotely offensive from the Christmas pagent only to turn it into some sort of weird experimental dance piece with the music of philip glass.
I agree that some material should not be shoved in others' faces. But I also strongly believe that we can be adults, suck it up and do our own research as well.
I thorougly believe that any reasonable adult should be able to handle this.
Its a HUGE difference between warning people that such content exist instead of removing it. I am sure you are aware of this but you seem to want to make people think Im a bigot by equating the two.
Nice try but gl next time. I said WARN not remove. I for example am against homosexual behaviour since it both goes against my religion and against laws of nature so I have the right to avoid such content and not support companies that produces media abou it. And I have every right to do so, and so has anyone else in a free society. Because that is the flipside of freedom. you have the freedom to avoid content you dont like as well as expressing the ones you do like.
Things like kiddie porn and bestiality is something that is obvious that you dont need to be subjected to (even though the latter is legal in many countries) yet for gay sex I have to be subject to it without given due warning. Why?
The south park referrence was just that it reminded me of focusing on bits that were offensive and that after they were actually removed things got bland.
But you are correct, you said warn. I was not insinuating that you said remove. I questioned whether to mention the South Park reference but the discussion of focusing on bits of games that offended people just "reminded" me of the southpark episode.
I have't read enough of your posts to say if you are a bigot. Merriam Webster says:
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
I know of very religious people who, though they don't like homosexuality, are tolerant of and not judgemental of gays and lesbians. heck, my own mother is a born again christian but her stance on the whole thing is that "god will decide what he will decide and it's none of my business".
Whether or not you should have to be subjected to homosexuality in games? Well, that's a tough one. I say that because I always believe that everyone has the right to live their lives the way they want provided that it doesn't interfere with another's and that they live a lawful life.
but still, I think one mature rating and leaving it up to the individual to find out what that entails is perfectly fine. Again, movies should not have to have a rated R and also a disclaimer that two men or two women are kissing. books should not have to have a rating and a disclaimer that two men or two women are married within the story.
Games are just easing into the same place as other media. I think people who play games can have a myopic view when it comes to realizing that games are just like other media when it comes to their inclusion in the mainstream. Games are growing up. And with that they will experience all the issues that movies and books and music experienced. Part of that is censorhip and ratings.
And yes, I am not for censorship but I am for letting people know that an item has mature content. I don't think one has to spell it out though I could easily see a source that has ratings for all sorts of movies and books and music and goes into detail about what is "inside".
But look there was a time (and I'm sure there are still people who feel this) that a Black woman and a white man kissing might make them sick. I think there is less of that feeling now. But people would claim the very same "it sickens me" reason for not wanting to see it. "Two people of different races should never mingle (what different races in my opinion? We are all one race, just some people have better tans) and it's against nature".
As for me, I'm in a very liberal state and a very liberal city. I see people of the same sex holding hands and kissing quite a bit. At first it was a bit shocking as you don't see it often but after a while it becomes part of the wall paper of life.
but that's not the issue is it. You don't want to see homosexuality in media. I still think that listing every bit of what might possibly be offensive is overkill. I can understand people not wanting to see certan things. Heck, I'd rather see two men or women giving each other a kiss goodbye over two heterosexual people sloppily making out on a park bench.
A mature rating and perhaps in this day and age a website for "more information" should suffice.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Lol Coprophillia, necrophillia and pedophilia are not even in the same realm of homosexually.
Seriously you need to grow up.
Alright maybe I went a bit far including coprophillia and necrophillia (which I will go back and edit out) but not so with pedophilia. In one someone is sexually attracted to the member of the same sex and the other someone is sexually attracted to prepubescent children. I was asking a serious question of how far are people ok with games going these days. Would people still be okay if the game had featured the same human male having sex with a 12 year olf elf girl? Or whatever.
What is “Pure fail”? I presume you mean “Pure Evil” anyd you are wrong. People are neither “Good” nor “Evil” they are “Gullible”. That allows demagogues to drive public opinion in the direction beneficial to the demagogues. He vast percentage of the population is concerned with their own lives, do not have the time to study an issue, thus follow the loudest voice they hear, usually from the Pulpit. “You never ask questions when God’s on your side.” Religious hierarchy says their job is to “Tend the Sheep” explains a power relationship. Politicians are no different; they to understand voters can be manipulated by slogans, catch phrases, and fear.
This is not “The Dark Age”, nor unfortunately is it “The Renaissance”, or a period of “Enlightenment”. The “Age of Aquarius” has morphed into “The Age of Hucksters”.
“When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know, the end result is tyranny and oppression no matter how holy the motives.” Robert A. Heinlein
Nice tangent...
Nope, I do not mean pure evil, that is fully your own interpretation. Try again, for I am enjoying your take on this, though you are not seeing what I meant, which is cool in this case, given I agree with your Robert A. Heinlein quote.
As far as your "People are Gullible" stance, I fully agree.
Thanks for the compliment, however I still don't understand what you went by the words "pure fail". Please explain.
I feel bigotry, narrow mindedness,and the gulibility you mentioned as the "Pure Fail."
I feel, as a species, we are failing... we cannot let people be themselves... we are trashing the planet... we are full of greed and corruption... we are more worried about who the other guy sleeps with than minding our own lives...and so on.
I understand that societies must have their rules and strictures, but frankly there are times when I think we are so stunted and primitive in our collective mindset.
Our technology is advancing nicely, but I feel "we" are not. This is a potentially very dangerous state to be in-- one that could be lethal to humanity, or far worse: create such a bleak world that is so full of oppression and aggression that we may well wish that all the hype about 2012 was really true.
World Nut Daily....what more can I say.
Why is it that, as a culture, we are more comfortable seeing two men holding guns than holding hands? ~Ernest Gaines
And that's the irony of suppression: The tigher you squeeze your grip, the more slip through your fingers--Princess Leia
*waits for WorldNews daily to burn in flames when the gay and lesbian community sees what they said* F*cking morons. They just painted themselves as homophobes. Way to go genius!
This is just to fuel the many prejudice fools into a rage. This will also upset more religious followers then anything, wonder what Westboro Baptist Church would do with this?
I don't even understand why games have ratings anymore, I guess they missed the big M that contained information about sexual activity in the game. I'll never understand people being so uncomfortable with sex.
What I will never, ever in a million years understand is how comfortable we are with violence and how uncomfortable we are with sex. I'm a 30 year old man, but I recall clearly watching vivid news footage of people getting shot and killed in Beirut, Lebanon over 20 years ago. Blood, children dying in the streets, etc. My father had no problem gleefully explaining the violence and war to seven year old child.
However, a sex scene on TV would make both of my parents flush with shame. It was apparently so difficult to explain how adults act when they are in love with one another - and yet so easy to explain how humans beat and murder each other with impunity.
We are a strange, strange species.
I know. Anyone else remember the South Park movie when Klyes mom says "Horrific deplorable violence is ok, as long as you dont say any naughty words while doing it!" This is kinda the same. The sex is NOT "dirty". It's pretty mature really. Methinks homophobes are hiding out at WorldNews and they are gonna get their comeuppance. Start looking for a new job pal! Have fun finding one in this economy. Seriously I would can that guy if I were his boss. His tactless use of words would make Worldnews look like they hate gays and lesbians. He better spew out an appology and fast.
You are definitely the king of the idiot tribe...
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First of all to claim deviance you have to accept that there is a norm that is being deviated from. And you just can't do that. People all over the world throughout all times have done different things to get off. The idea that a sexual behavior is deviant is false.
Those things are not morally wrong in every culture. I understand that since you think those things are deviant, you also think that 'right-thinking' people all over the world agree with you, but its just not the case.
Now lets assume for the sake of argument that there is a sexual norm, and the things you listed do indeed deviate from that norm. That still doesn't mean those things are wrong, or morally wrong. Different doesn't mean wrong. Also you can't show any harm, so protesting against gay people IS homophobia.
The permissiveness of the US secular culture does not extend to the rest of the world. These acts ARE morally wrong in almost every culture. In some cultures, it even goes so far as to be punished by the death penalty for those who get caught in such situations. If you disagree, go to Saudi Arabia and practice homosexuality publicly.
Despite your wishing otherwise, morally wrong is morally wrong. Those with moral standards have the right to protest against that which they find immoral. Protesting against public display of sexual deviance is not homophobia, it's an attempt to bring moral values to their community and dissuade those practicing deviant behavior from committing immoral acts. The harm is to both those witnessing the acts and those committing them. If you were to stop someone who was about to cut off their hand, would you be handectomyphobic? No, you'd be expressing concern for that person's well-being.
That's not even remotely true.
Romans, Greeks and all sorts of other cultures throughout history were completely OK with homosexuality. Historically speaking, in Western culture at least, this moral outcry is a relatively (IE: in the hundreds of years) new development.
Sure, there are cultures where you cannot openly be gay, but there are also cultures where you cannot eat certain animals on certain days of the week. Every culture has its quirks.
But to paint that with such a complete brush is absolutely absurd from a historical point of view.
The fact is, modern science should tell people thinking homosexuality is a choice or immoral is ridiculous. Biologically speaking, 10% of ducks are gay. Get over it.
From historical point of view the norm has been that homosexuality is a mortal sin. It is hinted in the Old Testament which is thousands of years old and God even destroyed a whole city which engaged in deviant sexual behaviour (including homesexuality). So those cultures where it has been accepted has been the exception rather than the norm and those cultures no longer exist.
From an evolutional perspective it is a death sentance for a heterosexual species to be homosexual for obvious reasons so not only is it immoral, in many cultures, but it is also evolutionary wrong.
That being said I dont think it is "evil" or anything but rather a deficiency that some people give way too much attention to (on both sides).
I personally dont care if people engage into homosexual acts aslong as it is private and not in my face. Something that I think alot of people labeled "homophobes" are like and I very much would like to know if a media has homosexual sex in it so I can avoid playing those. And no, a label saying "contains sexual content" is not enough. Rather it should say contains deviant sexual content because that is what homosexuality is: deviant, i.e. differs from the norm which is heterosexuality. Because as you stated only roughly 10% are homosexual.
I think you're confusing "Christianity" with "the whole world". Acceptance has been the norm untill the monotheistic crusades forced it's views on the rest of the world. You know, the same people who told us the world was flat untill a century ago, and who tell people in Africa to not use condoms and who twisted the concept of religion into a business for their own glory and riches. But they still find time to lecture everyone on "what's right".
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Yes and now and then his friends would come over for a cold one.
Funny you would mention "flames" in a remark about homosexuals.
Funny you would mention "flames" in a remark about homosexuals.
Except that I was basically speaking for the homosexuals. The person who described the Dragon Age sex as "dirty gay sex" is going to be in hot water for that.
A Free Press
For A Free People : WND
Change that for
A Free Press
For a Free homophobic People
I think this is just a typical example of our absurd and needlessly bashful approach to anything sexual.
Sex is a completely natural act, whether between a man and a woman or - at the risk of being verbally crucified by the sexually repressed religious fanatics - a man and another man, or a woman and another woman. It's part of humanity's need to be deeply connected to another.
When I discovered you could have heterosexual and homosexual relationships in Dragon Age: Origins, I was very pleased. It's about time a game developer has the balls to break down the walls of sexual taboo brought about by the politically correct and painfully old-fashioned masses. Kudos to Bioware, I say. They've done it not once, but twice!
It amazes me how insanely bashful we are on the subject of sex - PARTICULARLY when it comes to the homosexual side of it. I mean, we live in a world of fifty foot tall billboards adorned with women donning naught but strategically placed scraps of cloth, and sex in just about every nook and cranny of the media.
It's the 21st century. It's about time we start shedding the antiquated social taboos.
Wouldn't the oldest profession in the world be Hunter or Wood-Chopper?
Or some form of getting food.
Prostitution also requires a women to SELL her body for goods/services. I don't even think economy was invented back then. Having sex doesn't make a women a prostitute either.
So I'm sticking with the oldest profession being Hunter-Gatherer, or some form of Leader or Tool-maker.
In fact both man and woman fit within the definition of prostitution, if you choose. I was kidding with a theory on prostitution that some people talk, I will not tell the whole story here, maybe when you listen to it, you can notice the mean.
Enjoy the game, have fun.
Oh my god, get the hell over it media. the game is not aired toward little children it is aired toward the adult thus LABELED M FOR MATURE. when u log onto the site it ask for your birth date.
Another lesson as a parent if a game says mature do not buy it for your little ones. hello i have 4 children. I played the game would i let my children play the game probably not if there not near the age that they fully understand what there seeing.
but the news needs to do there real job examine real life not a fantasy one.
and again the romance in bioware's games are OPTIONAL in other words you can avoid it if you want to
OHH AND COME ON MEDIA IS A FKIN GAME
I LOVE BIOWARE'S GAME FROM KOTOR-DRAGON AGE WOOT GO BIOWARE
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You would be correct if we lived in a world/country where parenting was left up to the parents. But parenting is another aspect of our lives that the government has decided to take control of.
You would be correct if we lived in a world/country where parenting was left up to the parents. But parenting is another aspect of our lives that the government has decided to take control of.
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You would be correct if we lived in a world/country where parenting was left up to the parents. But parenting is another aspect of our lives that the government has decided to take control of.
When you have people demonstrating superb parenting skills, like for example Sarah Palin, someone has to be the mommy.
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You would be correct if we lived in a world/country where parenting was left up to the parents. But parenting is another aspect of our lives that the government has decided to take control of.
When you have people demonstrating superb parenting skills, like for example Sarah Palin, someone has to be the mommy.
rofl awesome reply. to me its common sense but i forgot common sense is not common any more.
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So because someone does not agree with you, they should be condemned?? ohh wait, forgot thats how liberals think, be tolerant of everyone that agrees with you and condemn the rest as being intolerant...
Sigh. To think we're living in the 21st c.
Your moral relativism is flawed. It's not ok to turn a tolerant check to bigotry and hate and say "Oh, it's just THEM having THEIR ideas." Sure, tolerance is a key to a civil society, but for issues of hate, prejudice and bigotry, action must be taken.
We in America condemned racism in the 1950s and fought hard to pass the civil rights act. Should we have just not fought and said "Oh, stop being so intolerant of our (racist) prejudice which keep blacks from being equals in America."
Women, too, were institutionally discriminated against in America, until we fought hard in the early 20th c. to get women the vote. Should we have just said "Oh, quite being so intolerant of our views, women should stay home barefoot and pregnant!"
Germany was taking over Europe in the late 1930s. Should we have just said, "Oh, let him go about his business. Just bc YOU don't believe in the Final Solution doesn't mean we shouldn't let people do what they want."
Bigotry, hate, racism and sexual discrimination need to be called out when we see it. But Quicksand, go ahead, accuse me of intolerance all you want. *sigh*
You would be correct if we lived in a world/country where parenting was left up to the parents. But parenting is another aspect of our lives that the government has decided to take control of.
When you have people demonstrating superb parenting skills, like for example Sarah Palin, someone has to be the mommy.
You are right, I sometimes forget that some people feel the need for the U.S. government to tell them what to do and when to do it. As fro your Palin remark, the only problem i have with her is Im afraid she will run as an independent and split the conservative vote which will in turn allow another 4 yrs of government takeovers and intrusion. But as I said, some people need the government to care for them, I am just not one of those.
Oh geez! Adult gamers have an adult game to play. The world is lost!
I haven't played this game, but I'm glad at least a few games are made for adults. Is it really so bad to have some games taliored to people that are out of high school?
I think it's kinda sad that this is even a controversy.