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Vanguard: Saga of Heroes: Vanguard Re-Review

StraddenStradden Managing EditorHalifax, NSPosts: 6,696Member

New MMORPG.com Reviewer Stephanie Morrow writes this long in the waiting re-review of SOE's Vanguard: Saga of Heroes.

Vanguard Screen

It’s closing in on two years since Vanguard:SOH was released, and as most people probably remember it was an epic fail of a launch. There was unfinished content along with huge performance issues that ranged from graphic glitches to high system requirements. Very few good things were spoken about the game at the time. A lot can change in two years, especially when you have a team of dedicated developers working on it and a community that is willing to stand by no matter what happens.

Needless to say, Vanguard is not the game it once was at release. While it is certainly not perfect, countless issues have been addressed. Content has been added, bugs have been fixed. The community may have shrunk since the initial first few months, but the passion that everyone displays for ‘their’ game is astounding. Galleons and fishing have made their way into the game, something players have been clamoring about for quite some time now, as well as numerous other additions which I’ll get into more detail about further along.

Read the Vanguard Re-Review

Cheers,
Jon Wood
Managing Editor
MMORPG.com

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  • adderVXIadderVXI st cloud, MNPosts: 639Member Uncommon

    For those wanting a PvE game i dont know that there is another game close to this.  Like the re-rievew says theres improvements constantly.

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  • WolfkroneWolfkrone AlburyPosts: 116Member

    In terms of PvE MMORPGs, there is nothing that surpasses Vanguard, the size of the world and the amount of content is mind boggling.



    I just wish there was a bit more PvP.

    Tried: WoW
    Played: EQ, EQII, AO, SWG, NGE-SWG, LoTRO, WAR, Vanguard, Eve, WWIIOL, Guild Wars, Darkfall, AoC.
    Playing: DAoC.
    Waiting For: SW:TOR.

  • DarwaDarwa CambridgePosts: 2,184Member Uncommon

    How beautifully written. If all the articles on this site were of such high quality, then people might start to take mmorpg.com seriously again

    I didn't know they'd finally added galleons at last. I'm surprised they didn't wave the flags for it, or maybe they did and I missed it.

    I'm gonna install and fire up the game just to have a peek.

    I've got very fond memories of Vanguard. I loved and played the game so much that I have a level 50 in each adventuring class, 2 tradeskill classes, and a diplomat, but after all that, there was precious little else to do if (like me) you don't like raiding.

  • aryabaaryaba Somerville, MAPosts: 22Member

    I played Vanguard at release and although beautiful and showing lots of promise, it was way too buggy for my tastes.

    A year later, my account was reactivated for free and I went back and played the game.  A lot of problems had been fixed.  I was amazed at how beautiful the game actually was and it played much more smoothly.  Ultimately, however, I did not keep the account active.

    Vanguard has a lot going for it.  It's beautiful, there seems to be a lot to do, but it also feels like it is missing something.  Some hook, that just didn't keep me in the game.  I honestly, don't know what it is.  Perhaps it is the low population of the servers?  I always go back to WoW, most likely because of the friends I have in the game.

    If my account was reactivated again, I would try it out again.  If it inspired me, I could definitely end up staying.  However, I feel it is just missing something, something I fail to pinpoint.

  • JK-KanosiJK-Kanosi Seaside, CAPosts: 1,357Member

    I ended up leaving Vanguard after complaining about some obvious bugs that weren't fixed on general chat, and got reemed for it. I think it's natural for a newish person to ask why this or that hasn't been fixed, but I guess the community didn't think so.

    Either way, that's fine, because I really enjoy WoW and it's a much better game than Vanguard. It may not have a huge seemless world, boats and what not, but it has atmosphere and all the little things that matter more than boats. WoW certainly isn't a game I'd play for years, but it's definitely kept me entertained for 4 months so far.

    Good luck with Vanguard you all. I liked the game, but the population was too small, and the community too agressive for my tastes.

    MMORPG's w/ Max level characters: DAoC, SWG, & WoW

    Currently Playing: WAR
    Preferred Playstyle: Roleplay/adventurous, in a sandbox game.

  • Falc410Falc410 ZornedingPosts: 17Member

    Vanguard is stil my favorite game, I liked pretty much everything about the game except the bugs and technical errors of course. What made me leave in the end was the very very low playerbase on the PVP server.

     

    Am I right that there is only one pvp server left and it's (hopefully) FFA pvp ? What are the current player numbers on there? Is it worth coming back to it?

  • Daffid011Daffid011 Posts: 7,825Member Uncommon

    The sum of 2 years is that the game plays smoother and not much else new.  Odds are the 4 year re-review will be the exact same thing.

     

    I really wish this game had more resources to expand the content, because it might just surprise the market with a decent comeback. 

     

     

     

     

  • FarandirFarandir OsloPosts: 111Member

    Really nice review! Two thumps up! Can't wait for the content to arrive in the game, gonns be great!

    To all of you who complain about lack of end-game content, there's atleast 2(?) new raids dungeons coming up and a level cap increase to lvl 55, so I guess there's something big on the way.

  • FarandirFarandir OsloPosts: 111Member
    Originally posted by Wolfkrone


    In terms of PvE MMORPGs, there is nothing that surpasses Vanguard, the size of the world and the amount of content is mind boggling.



    I just wish there was a bit more PvP.

     

    There's a PvP-arena on the way.

  • ArawonArawon Oz, ALPosts: 1,108Member

    I was in original beta and 3 months after launch. I came back 6 weeks ago and am having fun. Got my wife to join me. One of the particular strength of this game not emphasised enough is the very high quality player base.It's one of the real reqasons to play and stay.

  • SamhaelSamhael Huntsville, ALPosts: 697Member Uncommon

    "When you leave the Isle of Dawn you may feel slightly overwhelmed. You’re not given a huge amount of direction on where to go next but for some players that’s just fine."

    Yep, that actually says it pretty well.  Telon is a little too-wide open for my tastes. I prefer going from quest hub to quest hub with little nudges to move me around.  I didn't find that in Vanguard and unfortunately that was the main deciding factor for me.  If you don't have that sort of hangup, you can really enjoy the game now.  The tutorial is very well put together and if the rest of the game was ever linked together like that I'd probably resub.  It is most definitely NOT the same game as it was at launch and that's a good thing.

  • VyntVynt Glendale, CAPosts: 632Member Uncommon

    I like the game, but when I went back to the free time offered me after like 8 months of not playing, I found it to be worse technically. I wasn't having any lag or hitching problems at all 8 months ago on high settings, but now, I had an irritating amount of hitching at any video level.

    I only quit it before because of time, and was tempted to start playing again, but unfortunately the renewed issues will keep me away. The problems were everywhere for me and not just the island.

    For me, they somehow took a step backwards. Oh well. Hopefully not everyone will have the same problems because it is a good and fun game.

  • GuillightGuillight OsloPosts: 49Member
    Originally posted by Vynt


    I like the game, but when I went back to the free time offered me after like 8 months of not playing, I found it to be worse technically. I wasn't having any lag or hitching problems at all 8 months ago on high settings, but now, I had an irritating amount of hitching at any video level.
    I only quit it before because of time, and was tempted to start playing again, but unfortunately the renewed issues will keep me away. The problems were everywhere for me and not just the island.
    For me, they somehow took a step backwards. Oh well. Hopefully not everyone will have the same problems because it is a good and fun game.

     

    That is how I felt exactly as well. I don't know what they have done with the last update. But they have pretty much undone all the hard work on performance from the previous year. 

    About a year ago I was actually impressed in how good the performance was, but left because of very low population (wich is still an issue today and keeps hurting the game).

    But now it is almost like I am back since launch when it comes to performance. So they really screwed up something with the last update. That is for sure. 

  • SovrathSovrath Boston Area, MAPosts: 18,455Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Farandir

    Originally posted by Wolfkrone


    In terms of PvE MMORPGs, there is nothing that surpasses Vanguard, the size of the world and the amount of content is mind boggling.



    I just wish there was a bit more PvP.

     

    There's a PvP-arena on the way.



     

    Also there is a FFA pvp server, so I don't see why anyone could complain.

    I have the graphics practically at max and the world really is beautiful. I would even venture, in some places, LOTRO beautiful. However, there are some, what I call, "EQ II" moments where you will see caves or architecture that just looked slapped together. Sort of like seeing a part of a cave that is much brighter than the surrounding material.

    For players who want a more exploratory type game I highly recommend Vanguard. I have a sub just so I can wander around and do a few things. In some cases it is hard to get things accomplished as the travel distances can be quite far at times, but this is also a perk as you actually get to experience traveling over the land instead of just being ported from one spot to another without any sense of the world between your points.

    And of course you can go just about everywhere. from my limited experience, nothing keeps you from going to an area and being slaughtered if that is what you want. Conversely, (and once again) in LOTRO I saw a door at the side of an area where there are orcs (the entrance to lothlorien) and when I clicked on it I got the "you do not have the coressponding quest" message.

    This is just heart breaking as it really brings out the artificial nature of a game world. Vanguard doesn't seem to have that type of thing.

    There are rift stones that care you great distances but all in all, it is an exploration game. As far as the lack of end game raids, that is a hard one. Does mythical end game really always need to be about raiding?

  • TalinTalin West Babylon, NYPosts: 824Member

    Vanguard = Today's Everquest. Excellent PvE game with a wide-open world that doesn't lead you completely around by the nose. The level of customization on characters is great, and the graphics/immersion factor is top notch (especially in revamped areas, including the trial).

    The only thing I found lacking in Vanguard was a sense of story, which is why I currently choose LotRO for my monthly $15 payment.

    I had played the game in beta and hated it; came back and tried it again a few months ago and found a very enjoyable game. I think it is worth giving the trial a shot, if nothing else.

  • StratfordStratford Riverside, CAPosts: 112Member

    Is the game UO silled based (you use a skill, you raise it), or WoW level based (earn xp to improve)?

     

    What's the death penalty?

     

    On the PvE servers, what will the PvP arenas be like?  Will there be any type of rewards?

     

    Curious, thanks.

  • kelikeli Herne BayPosts: 1Member

    The tragedy of Vanguard is the lack of dev resource. EQ2 gets a big fat expansion on a regular basis; if SoE just skipped one of those and sent a bunch of devs over to Vanguard for 6 months I'm sure they could really move it on. Plus, of course, they need to market it then in the same way as EQ2 to get the subscriber numbers up.

    Fantastic game and a great 2 years for me. But once you've levelled 2 or more characters to level cap you start to think, do I really want to do that again with the same content?

  • dhayes68dhayes68 New York, NYPosts: 1,393Member Common

    I've not played V:SOH and don't plan to (I'm sure its a fine game, this is not a hater post) but the article pointed out something that really bugs me in general about the current state of the MMO industry:  Companies release games in pitifully incomplete states and then expect us to pay sub fees while they complete development.  It seems apparent this was the case here and I can tell you it is the case with AoC.

    I'm not talking about bugs.  I mean missing content, incomplete content, and barebones content put in as a place holder until they could put the final ver in. Of course take all of that and factor in that the devs are basically going to be finishing the game in a live environment and you can add an insane amout of often ridiculous bugs as well.

    If this keeps on happening its going to become, if it hasn't already, an industry standard unless players decide to do something about it.  Seems wrong that the players of the first year or two should pay full price to finance continued development of what should be a complete product.

    Personally I won't play any more MMO's unless it comes with a free trial, and the client is free. If they can impress me with that, I'll pay sub fees forever.

     

  • RaavRaav Chicago, ILPosts: 120Member

    For those having performance issues, be sure to have the recommended video driver installed.  Here is a link to the VG recommended video driver.

    http://help.station.sony.com/cgi-bin/soe.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=16732

  • Daffid011Daffid011 Posts: 7,825Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by keli


    The tragedy of Vanguard is the lack of dev resource. EQ2 gets a big fat expansion on a regular basis; if SoE just skipped one of those and sent a bunch of devs over to Vanguard for 6 months I'm sure they could really move it on. Plus, of course, they need to market it then in the same way as EQ2 to get the subscriber numbers up.
    Fantastic game and a great 2 years for me. But once you've levelled 2 or more characters to level cap you start to think, do I really want to do that again with the same content?

     

    While I think what you said is very accurate, I don't think soe bought this game to make it a success.  They bought it so that it wouldn't crush EQ2 subs.  I suspect if they put serious effort into Vanguard it could potentially drain/split populations from EQ2.  For this to make good business sense for soe, they would have to offset the decline in one game plus the instability it would cause EQ2 with much higher sub numbers in Vanguard.

     

    I'm a long time believer that games cannot overcome a bad launch, but somehow I still want to believe if any game could it would be this one.  It just doesn't make a lot of sense for soe to try, but it sure has the best foundation of any game they have and I really wish they would at least have tried.

     

     

  • ValkaernValkaern OxfordPosts: 512Member

    For Stratfords questions:

    It's level based, with points to spend on attributes as you level. Obviously there are skills as well that raise through use, but it's primarily level based.

    As for the death penalty, you leave a tombstone when you die along with items not soulbound to you. If you travel back to your tombstone and loot it, you get back your gear & the majority of the XP you lost on death. Otherwise, you can summon your tombsone from the altar you respawn at to reclaim your missing gear (if any) but no XP.

    I'm not too familiar with the arenas yet, I popped in last night to look around and saw some NPCs, one of which offered rewards for various levels of victory in the arena. That's all I can really say about that yet, looks cool though and I'm hoping it turns out well.

     

  • Aguila777Aguila777 Ajo, AZPosts: 10Member Uncommon

    Just wanted to add that as a casual player (around 6hours/wk) I love Vanguard.  Initially picked it up to give me a break from deed grinding in LotRO and wound up playing it as my main.  I love the fact that I can pretty much go wherever I want and I don't feel pressured to rush through everything.  I actually found myself not playing too casually after the first couple weeks because I would get lost in what I was doing.

    I still think that when it comes to PvE, there's not much of anything out there that can beat it. But that's just my opinion.

  • virox69virox69 clermont, FLPosts: 90Member

    I left VG in utter disgust in feb 07. Didnt have anything to play last month and was really bored. I saw that they had reactivated old accounts and decided to give it try. I am so glad I did, this game is a great PVE game. Plenty of solo content but the true greatness of this game is the group quests and dungeons. It had been a long time since I got into some great dungeon crawls.

    This game has so much content 10-40 its impossible to do it all. Thats nice for making alts....not sure about 40-50 as I havnt got there yet.

  • EkibiogamiEkibiogami Clear Lake, TXPosts: 3,002Member Uncommon
    Originally posted by Daffid011


    The sum of 2 years is that the game plays smoother and not much else new.  Odds are the 4 year re-review will be the exact same thing.
     
    I really wish this game had more resources to expand the content, because it might just surprise the market with a decent comeback. 

    LOL More Content? Sure we need a little more Lvl 50 stuff but were about to get that and there is No way Im gana Belive that you have explored even half the Content on the way to 50 unless you got 10 alts... Its crazzy how mutch is in this game... and there are still empty areas to look around at.

    Do we need more people? Sure but I really DONT want soe's retarted Eye casting its Gaze on Vanguard. I Would like a  few more Devs tho :P

     

    And Great review Op :)

    If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
    —Samuel Adams

  • BodeusBodeus Spartanburg, SCPosts: 516Member

    this game seems cursed. For every step they take forward it ends up stumbling back 2 steps.
    The guys at SOE need to replace Phathom and Silius the former doest really seems to care and is only seen/heard from about once every 6 months and the latter seems unable to get things done in a timely manner.
    Performance has improved since release but has gotten worse than it was 6 months ago.
    More and more quests and mobs become bugged daily and simple preventative server restarts are forgotten about or postponed for weeks at a time. A while back a mob difficulty pass was done which left many mobs doing "excessive over the top dmg" that was way out of line with what their level range and difficulty(dots) and these mobs are still this way. Example-- lvl 14 2 dot Kaon(part of a lower level armor quest) doing 400dmg a sec when most players around that level doing these quests(marked as solo content) have less than 1k hp.

    Telon is a beautiful world. The classes are great their abilities fun. Groups are a blast; when they happen. I wish VG much luck and I hope to be greatly surprised by it in 2009

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