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How to know you have removed all the negative people from a forum when....
Rokurgepta
Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 2,136
in Tabula Rasa
http://www.planettr.com/forums/showpost.php?p=115768&postcount=1
Pretty much tells me TR must be a perfect game and fully finished from level 1 to level 50 and all end game must be in place. If all you have to complain about is which site claims to be the official forums for the game, the game must be perfect. Or the community only has fanboys left and the real problems of the game get swept under the carpet.
This is why TR makes no real progress, people like that and the feedback they provide are beyond useless to a company in need of major help. No wonder TR had the worst community in game and out I have been a part of in an MMO.
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Actually, the real thing is: we trolls are lazy.
Much of what has been complained about has not been fixed or even looked at by the developers, so instead of just bitching about the same issues repeatedly only to have a fanboi defend the game in the same exact way each time, we got bored and left.
If it's already been said for the ten millionth time, why say it again?
See? Lazy. It's alright though, we found another game to hate.
No, it's not that we're lazy; it's that a particular mod on PTR will insta-ban for criticizing the game (because he extrapolates all criticism on the game as direct criticism of the devs themselves) and any legitimate criticism is instantly moved to the Rants and Flames forum.
PTR = joke
That's quite sad. Developers that can't take criticism... GROW A PAIR!
No wonder games are starting to suck, we've got nothing but wankers making them!
Actually it's probably the constant berating that's forced them into not listening to the community, as the game did have a shaky (putting it mildly) launch and is still not fully functional as it should have been. So people complained. A lot. They got sick of hearing it and shut off the "negative side" of the community, because after all:
Autism solves all confrontation problems!
Plug your ears, rock back and fourth and hum to yourself and you will eventually be rid of all those annoying critics!
It's not the devs that can't handle criticism. It's the moderators on Planet Tabula Rasa who enforce stupid rules regarding game criticism where any and all is instantly moved to a "Rants" forum and that person is then banned.
You want to know how bad the mods are at PTR? I used to post there a lot. Some guy was whining about how he didn't want any group content because he only has twenty minutes a week to play the game or something. He asked something along the lines, "If I can only play three minutes a week how am I supposed to complete any group content?"
My reply, verbatim:
Join a guild and quit whining.
Result? Six month ban. That's why PTR is a joke.
Hm, well screw them.
A six month ban for something so minor, like they can afford to toss people out of the game.
PTR banned him and they are just a fansite, they have no official standing in the game and their bans of course do not carry over in game. TR has no official forums so the fansites that run their own have different rules, PTR happens to believe in a Socialist approach.
While participation in PTR has been steadily dwindling, it seems to have dwindled faster just in the past two or three weeks. Do you think WAR has had a significant effect on the number of players?
I really do not know. I no longer know anyone playing TR so it is hard to judge and PTR auto bans me when I make a new name so its hard to get a feel from just reading their boards but it seems a quiet time. Could be with school just starting and the summer ending people are using the last nice days to go outside.
WAR being a highly anticipated game has likely stolen some people at this point. I am sure people from a lot of games are trying WAR right now.
Tr is in space with it's CEO, Made too fast and marketed to fast, Could have been good, but sci-fi is dead because of money making pimps!
TRs problem is the mid stream change from Fantasy to Sci-Fi and then what felt like 1/4 of an MMO. WHat it has is fun, it just to me has no lasting appeal or depth.
Agreed
I haven't revisited the flaming wreck that is TR in a while, so I browsed the PTR forums for a bit to get a feel for it. I found this:
http://www.planettr.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8788
I think that the subject of the thread ("crafting system will make the game not fun") and the fact that it is in the Rants section are two good indicators this game is essentially dead.
And here I was hoping to give it another go. I figured at least a year after release there would be something there, but looks like I was wrong. Oh well. WAR kicks ass.
You seriously are going to base a decision on whether to try TR or not from a forum post and someone's opinion? Wow I wouldn't be playing games if that was the case. Doesn't take much effort to download the trial, but from the tone of your first sentence you sound like the interest was never there in the first place.
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Promote what you love instead of bashing what you hate.
I played TR for a few months. There were a lot of things to like about it. The combat, the look and feel of the game, the concepts of control points, etc.
There were also a lot of things to dislike. The immersion-breaking story execution (I never once felt as if I was actually in the military, let alone one fighting for the very survival of all humanity), the lackluster (to be kind) "crafting," uninteresting skill system (I could live with it though), etc.
Now you take that and pile on other factors:
- vaporware - most MMOs get updates - real updates - TR devs became known for one word "Soon" always capitalized and sometimes with a (tm) next to it.
- Richard Garriot's seemingly narcissistic self-promotion. Playing the fiddle while Foreas burns.
I wanted one more, but the kid is screaming and I really don't want to revisit this yet one more time. I was bored and look here on occasion. I couldn't resist posting.
I don't mean to be trollish, but I have had a keen interest in this game since 2005, and I am what you could call bitterly disappointed by it. Garriot also could have been considered almost something of a hero to me growing up in the 80s with Ultima and seeing all this go down these days has utterly crushed that.
And I don't need to download the trial. Not only do I have an inactive account with several characters at varying levels, I have a few unopened boxes laying around somewhere I bought several months ago when I thought paying $12 for this game was the deal of the century. Now I know why they were only $12.
As to the original issue. Crafting is a fundamental part of the MMORPG experience. It seems absurd to me that there still isn't a robust system in place and that people are complaining that they are at least finally attempting to introduce one.
I played TR for a few months. There were a lot of things to like about it. The combat, the look and feel of the game, the concepts of control points, etc.
There were also a lot of things to dislike. The immersion-breaking story execution (I never once felt as if I was actually in the military, let alone one fighting for the very survival of all humanity), the lackluster (to be kind) "crafting," uninteresting skill system (I could live with it though), etc.
Now you take that and pile on other factors:
- vaporware - most MMOs get updates - real updates - TR devs became known for one word "Soon" always capitalized and sometimes with a (tm) next to it.
- Richard Garriot's seemingly narcissistic self-promotion. Playing the fiddle while Foreas burns.
I wanted one more, but the kid is screaming and I really don't want to revisit this yet one more time. I was bored and look here on occasion. I couldn't resist posting.
I don't mean to be trollish, but I have had a keen interest in this game since 2005, and I am what you could call bitterly disappointed by it. Garriot also could have been considered almost something of a hero to me growing up in the 80s with Ultima and seeing all this go down these days has utterly crushed that.
And I don't need to download the trial. Not only do I have an inactive account with several characters at varying levels, I have a few unopened boxes laying around somewhere I bought several months ago when I thought paying $12 for this game was the deal of the century. Now I know why they were only $12.
As to the original issue. Crafting is a fundamental part of the MMORPG experience. It seems absurd to me that there still isn't a robust system in place and that people are complaining that they are at least finally attempting to introduce one.
I think you summed up a lot of peoples thoughts here. I too was a fan of RG from the Ultima days and frankly I expected better from him this time around.
Lol, you got banned from the unofficial forums of TR. The rants and flames forum is for the type of whining you do on PTR. I see no problems with having a forum section for rants and flames. It's for people that whine. I've only been playing for almost 2 months and love the game. I don't go to WoW forums and complain because I hate that game.
Glycol of Pegasis
to: thornton
You are so funny. Your forum is censored heavily and you come all the way over here to whine that this forum isn't censored the same way. It is very easy to get banned on PTR. It takes a mod's full attention to censor that much. It's easier to allow free speech than to be on people's cases 24/7.
Never a truer word was said.
Lol, you got banned from the unofficial forums of TR. The rants and flames forum is for the type of whining you do on PTR. I see no problems with having a forum section for rants and flames. It's for people that whine. I've only been playing for almost 2 months and love the game. I don't go to WoW forums and complain because I hate that game.
Glycol of Pegasis
You would not know because you have not been there long enough but they banned people for complaining in the rants and flames section.
PTR is a joke, always has been in my opinion, always will be. I was one of the first people to get into trouble in that place, months ago when I started to complain about the lack of content in the game. They had a particurlarly obnoxious mod there by the name of Epilogue that had a control complex and needed to always have the last word. He also tampered with my signature and made a quote in it that was inappropriate and harmful. Adele didnt start the crazy banning, it was Epilogue that did. He would ban anyone that voiced an opinion that he didnt like or beat him in an argument. Adele just carried on the tradition and probably took it to a new level.
Heres an email I sent to him back in FEB 2008 upon seeing one of the first bans:
"Are you telling us that (Player name) has been banned for voicing his opinion here on the rant thread? Where exactly did he post doom and gloom, he responded to posts put to him.
Why is nothing said to certain persons that refer to individuals as dumb, mute etc. ?
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Deseri Apollonia ~ Medic "
His response was that the player had been banned due to PMs that no one else could see. He also would instigate fighting and even forcibly entered forum posters into flamefests that he would oversee and particiate in. I have been on gaming Msg forums since EQOA back in 2001 and never have I seen a mod as lying, deceitful, instigative and disruptive as Epilogue.
However, mods aside, there were several individuals in the PTR community that aided and abetted this type of Mod behaviour. They would report you in landside (Epilogues words, not mine) if they wanted to shut you up. These same people would not allow any critisism of the game and would gang up on anyone that spoke differently. Most of them were carebear casuals that didnt want raid or group content that they couldnt participate in. Since they couldnt do it, they didnt want anyone else to get it. Selfish and stupid basically and I hope they are now happy in that barren wasteland of a game. I guess seeing someone else in great armour they couldnt have made them feel to insecure. So let's not only blame the Mods of PTR for making the site a joke, many in the PTR community added their contribution as well.
I didnt need 6 months or a year to pass to realize that TR needed content at higher levels. I am not sure why some people need that much time to figure out that a game is severely lacking. All I can say is that the game had some awesome ideas that I doubt will ever come to full fruition.
Current Games: WOW, EVE Online
PTR banned him and they are just a fansite, they have no official standing in the game and their bans of course do not carry over in game. TR has no official forums so the fansites that run their own have different rules, PTR happens to believe in a Socialist approach.
"Just happens to believe in a Nazi approach."
I like that line.
The PTR forums "just happen to ban negativity in an attempt to keep people from knowing the truth."
Like, ooohhh... the USA "just happens to be run by a few bankers who control the media and what you think."
It's fun when you think of it that way. "Just happens", like you have no control over it and you're totally fine with that fact.