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  • MedinaMedina Member Posts: 4
    Originally posted by Drasken


    lol did not suprize me in the lest lol what did suprize me is it took them  2 post to ban me lol and the ban is so long that is another suprize     hell my guild mate posted about gems and asked if stacking was okay he got baned with them teling him he was posting about an exploit lol
    love funcoms way of thinking i sware its so backwards its un real lol
     

     

    Ouch. While I've been very active on the AoC forums since day one and that I am aware of misunderstandings by the moderators, did those two moderations seem curious, both in in severity and disregard of what the poster intentions.

     

    Granted, I don't know the tone of your post over there. Lots of whining, as many has mentioned.  Remember that you can contact moderators and support about such things as moderation.

  • MedinaMedina Member Posts: 4
    Originally posted by rav3n2 
    To []: ..with dual wield barbarians though, I mean TWO?!?! That's a bit difficult for me to handle. I'd rather stick with one big sword.

    [|GM|]: You like it rough I take it :)

    To []: Of Course, I'm a ***ing rock sniffer.

    To []: With daggers.

    To []: And I'm specced for second wind =) I can go all night.

    [|GM|]: lol wow, I don't think I would ever be the same :)

    [|GM|]: um WOw this is turning me on lol.
     
    The GM is the only one interpreting the conversation on a Sexual Context, how can you and some people see that as "the player has started" is beyond me, maybe this is why Sexual Harassment claims at the workplace have become such a big thing, someone says "sexual harrassment!" and everyone disregards all the evidence under their nose just to burn the person being accused on a stick.

     

    Might be that I did't read the same things into what the player said and I probably was too sceptical of the player there. Sorry.

     

    Again, I don't excuse the GM and I bet quite a bit that the GM there did break quite a few policies and guidance rules on how to communicate with customers.

    I have been working with support and I know that some, no matter rules, can seem oblivious of them. Some simply read to the tests and do not learn a thing. I've also had to tell people in training that they are not doing well. I can imagine that the GM there, either lost self-control, mixed the role with the role as a "buddy" or simply is a con, but I can also imagine that in the trianing process was the GM given a chance because failing someone can be a difficult thing to do.

     

    No excuse though!

  • reacesreaces Member Posts: 2
    Originally posted by Drasken


    lol did not suprize me in the lest lol what did suprize me is it took them  2 post to ban me lol and the ban is so long that is another suprize     hell my guild mate posted about gems and asked if stacking was okay he got baned with them teling him he was posting about an exploit lol
    love funcoms way of thinking i sware its so backwards its un real lol
     

     

    Funny seeing as how there IS a post about this topic on the aoc forums but the poster didn't get banned.



    Not to mention I have seen posts being deleted where people were explaining how to exploit gems in a way that 2 gems go into 1 socket, the exploit has been fixed since if I remember correctly but I never heard of any1 getting banned for "asking if they could exploit".

    Allthough it seems pretty retarded to go on a forum asking if you could abuse a flaw in their game... Then again your own post doesn't really show much intellect.



    Either way, for the original post, I hope that it's either fake or that the gm got fired, seriously I work in tech support and if I would ever have phone-sex on the job I'm pretty sure I'd get fired.

    Not to mention that the gm seems to act asiff he's only 16-17 years old "are you really a girl?" riiiiiiiight.

    I would prescribe some porn for the gm, and a hobby for the original poster.

  • x_avenger_Xx_avenger_X Member Posts: 1

    Hmm, a story with lots of holes and we dont even see why the OP started up a convo with the GM in the first place.

    The conversation has been carefully cropped in such a fashion to leave out bits the OP doesnt want us to see.

    Sorry but I see this as no more than a person who has nothing better to do and decided to make a bit of fun and controversy...

    Pretty much a open and shut case of entrapment if you ask me.

  • keslerikesleri Member Posts: 127

    This is pathetic, AoC to the trash can.

  • JeroKaneJeroKane Member EpicPosts: 6,957
    Originally posted by x_avenger_X


    Hmm, a story with lots of holes and we dont even see why the OP started up a convo with the GM in the first place.
    The conversation has been carefully cropped in such a fashion to leave out bits the OP doesnt want us to see.
    Sorry but I see this as no more than a person who has nothing better to do and decided to make a bit of fun and controversy...
    Pretty much a open and shut case of entrapment if you ask me.



     

    A GM should be PROFESSIONAL enough to keep his mind clear from such things and just DO HIS JOB he/she is PAID to do!

    Especially with the current horrible state of non-existent customer support this GM should have enough work in helping people with REAL problems, instead of wasting time to port a player to some secret hidden area for some CYBER crap.

    Hence the VALID reason he got fired!  I have ZERO pitty for the GM in question, but also have ZERO respect for the OP in question.

    Cheers

  • MORBMORB Member Posts: 37

    I can't believe that people are actually trying to excuse this as not being a big deal, or even saying that it's a normal thing to do in a M rated game.



    The GM started it by making the first innuendos, and ended up writing very graphic an unambiguously sexual stuff. People blaming it on the player can probably start sending their resume to funcom right now, they have the right amount of denial in them to work there.



    The player prodded him into that direction as soon as he started, and I would definitely have done the same thing.

    The GM should have had enough professionalism to prevent the conversation straying that way. If you can get manipulated this easily by a customer, then you have no business doing customer support.



    Also, his constant usage of "lol" made him sound like a retard.



    It's not the first time I read some GM conversation that betrays a lack of professionalism.

    I'm willing to bet that because of the amount of problems in the game, they had to hire a lot of GMs quickly, possibly with cheap wages, and ended up hiring from the bottom of the barrel.

  • tarkin1980tarkin1980 Member Posts: 229

    IMHO, that GM got away too easy. A better punishment for him would have been to be forced to continue working for failcom. For all eternity!!!!!!111oneone *cackles insanely* But I understand if people find it hard to so utterly condemn a man.

  • AranStormahAranStormah Member Posts: 278

    I'd enjoy hearing the reason why the GM was fired. I think the real reason could be quite entertaining in itself.

    Afterall, this topic has been around for 10 days without Funcom paying it any attention even though we know they have people here who's read it.

    I'd like to know if the GM was doing this when there were no other petitions to look at, or if he started wasting time in the middle of a busy session. That would be a good reason, but hardly stuff to be fired about considering that it wouldn't have been the first time they've had GMs wasting their time.

    Implied sex could've been the reason, but it's a M-rated game, and the player took part in the joke and games. Again, it doesn't seem like something to get worked up given the nature of the game and the assumption that everyone are 18+ or aware that the material will be adult-related.

    I'm suspecting the slow reaction is because someone in the media finally caught hold of it and contacted Funcom, at which point FC had to take a fast decision and they decided it'd look best for their public image if the guy was fired. Of course as per usual, this backfired on them as the event suddenly became big news in the media.

    They'd probably have got easier off the hook if they just said that the GM was just messing around with a likeminded player, or that it was photoshopped. That doesn't sound like something the papers would bother mentioning :P

    Yet another chapter in the epic tale of Failcom.

  • Whiskeyjack1Whiskeyjack1 Member Posts: 169
    Originally posted by cozt


    I just read the news on the swedish gaming site www.fz.se. And I must say... at first I was like "what the hell is wrong with that GM". But after reading this I feel sorry for the GM.. seriously. Sure, I guess that kind of behaviour is unacceptable.. But I still feel sorry for him.
    And about the guy that fooled the GM.. He must be very immature.



     

    I guess you must feel bad for pedophiles when FBI agents pretend to be 12 yrs old girls on chat programs/forums. 

    I am in customer service and this is just retarded. If someone initiate any flirting , I am smart enough to not continue and stay professional or i can lose my job. 

    I don't feel bad for this guy. No decision was forced on him. When the player started to get sexual , he was not forced to do anything. He decided to cyber him/her . It's the GM fault a 110%. 

  • d74046d74046 Member Posts: 10

    Fudzilla lol

    *Cookie powa*

  • tr289tr289 Member Posts: 236
    Originally posted by Whiskeyjack1

    Originally posted by cozt


    I just read the news on the swedish gaming site www.fz.se. And I must say... at first I was like "what the hell is wrong with that GM". But after reading this I feel sorry for the GM.. seriously. Sure, I guess that kind of behaviour is unacceptable.. But I still feel sorry for him.
    And about the guy that fooled the GM.. He must be very immature.



     

    I guess you must feel bad for pedophiles when FBI agents pretend to be 12 yrs old girls on chat programs/forums. 

    that's kinda different , it's a very unfair and extreme comparison .  pedophiles cought on the internet are intentionally seeking out children . thats not the case here . 

    im not trying to defend the GM , but at the same time your statement is over the top . it's like comparing an axe murder with some one that lost control of their car and killed some one .  the end result ( some one is dead ) may be the same but how and why that person is dead are totally different .

     

  • DraekosDraekos Member Posts: 1

    I am an ex-GM for a major gaming company. As I still work with that company, but no longer in that position, I am unable to give out info on what the name of the company is or what the game was.  But, from my knowledge, let me just inform you all of a few things.

    1. Most companies, gaming and otherwise, do *not* accept screenshots, fraps etc as "evidence".  These items can be faked, altered or be fully created to appear as something they are not.

    2. Do you work for AoC or FunCom or Eidos or Paradox, or are any way associated with them professionally enough to have access to thier internal information of what Game Masters can and cannot do?

    3. This is just a game.  Some companies view thier game as "just a game", and others view it as pure business.  Levels of seriousness have to be assigned to these games.  From what I have seen, the level of professionalism in AoC is very low, leading me to believe that they have a "just a game" approach.

    4. Speculating over wether or not a Game Master should/would/could talk like this is irrelevant.  You should be asking yourself, is this REALLY a game master? 

    - What if he was some guy that was accidentally flagged for a game master and joking with his buddy?

    - What if he was a game master that was being fired anyways, and this was his last day on the job and decided to have "fun"?

    - What if the screenshots are altered, the whole thing set up, or the fraps was altered/edited to appear this way?

    5. Levels of "professionalism" are taken into account with the job you have, and what you do.  Will a customer support guy for the phone company cuss you out? Probably not.   But what about a bouncer of a club?  Sure, you are a potential customer, or paying customer, but I could totally see a bouncer coming up and throwing your butt out of the club.  Would you call him unprofessional if he was cussing at you or something else why he was doing it? No.. because his job isn't defined as a "professional" position.  Neither is a Game Masters, at least not until you know what the full extent of thier job was.

    So what am I trying to say?  Well, to put simply, if you don't know what the internal ethical standards are for AoC's Game Masters, then you should just shut up.  And if you do? Well then most likely you wouldn't be posting on these forums with anything negative.

     

  • pixeldogmeatpixeldogmeat Member Posts: 441

    Whats the big deal, the player asked for it, game master accomodated, how is this wrong? I don't cyber myself, I have a wife and all, but I really don't see the big deal in some private tells to a GM. What I think lacks tact is your posting of this on a forum, wtf, have you no manners? Are you just trying to cause problems?

    Seriously, why mistreat the GM's man?

    Why does everyone want those they admire to fall so harshly.

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  • SvayvtiSvayvti Member Posts: 160

    The suspicions I had of FUncom GMs was just confirmed.

    This is far from the first time some have acted in an unprofessional manner, this is just the first time it was done at such a level and recorded as to make the news.

     

    P.S.  It isn't Hyboria any more, it is "Cyb0ria" from now on.

  • tr289tr289 Member Posts: 236
    Originally posted by pixeldogmeat


    Whats the big deal, the player asked for it, game master accomodated, how is this wrong? I don't cyber myself, I have a wife and all, but I really don't see the big deal in some private tells to a GM. What I think lacks tact is your posting of this on a forum, wtf, have you no manners? Are you just trying to cause problems?
    Seriously, why mistreat the GM's man?
    Why does everyone want those they admire to fall so harshly.

    if you don't see whats wrong with a GM doing this then it will be impossible to explain it to you .

     

     

  • NepentheiaNepentheia Member Posts: 53

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  • LordRelicLordRelic Member Posts: 281

    Umm who cares what those Two do while there in game....... it seems they both didn't mind so what does it matter to you guys what they do.??

  • Loke666Loke666 Member EpicPosts: 21,441

    Oh, please.. Mature 18 games so who cares? Personally, I think FunCom should rent in some guys from Rockstart and Running with scissors to help them, AoC is quite wussy to have 18 years to me...

    The GM seems to be joking anyways and the GMs are not employes, they just play for free, I know a fellow GMing. This much about a storm in a waterglass....*sigh*

  • d74046d74046 Member Posts: 10
    Originally posted by Draekos


    I am an ex-GM for a major gaming company.
    So what am I trying to say?  Well, to put simply, if you don't know what the internal ethical standards are for AoC's Game Masters, then you should just shut up.  And if you do? Well then most likely you wouldn't be posting on these forums with anything negative.

     O'rly

    *Cookie powa*

  • ZorvanZorvan Member CommonPosts: 8,912
    Originally posted by Loke666


    Oh, please.. Mature 18 games so who cares? Personally, I think FunCom should rent in some guys from Rockstart and Running with scissors to help them, AoC is quite wussy to have 18 years to me...
    The GM seems to be joking anyways and the GMs are not employes, they just play for free, I know a fellow GMing. This much about a storm in a waterglass....*sigh*



     

    Unlike your friend who GMs for the latest Hello Kitty private server, GMs for all major pay to play titles, including AoC, are paid employees. And read the damn transcripts as well as look at the screenshots. That pervert wasn't "joking".

  • ZorvanZorvan Member CommonPosts: 8,912
    Originally posted by Draekos


    I am an ex-GM ........blah,blah,blah
     

    They fired the GM, so your unknowledgeable rant was just made even more irrelevant.

     

  • ZorvanZorvan Member CommonPosts: 8,912
    Originally posted by tr289

    Originally posted by Whiskeyjack1

    Originally posted by cozt


    I just read the news on the swedish gaming site www.fz.se. And I must say... at first I was like "what the hell is wrong with that GM". But after reading this I feel sorry for the GM.. seriously. Sure, I guess that kind of behaviour is unacceptable.. But I still feel sorry for him.
    And about the guy that fooled the GM.. He must be very immature.



     

    I guess you must feel bad for pedophiles when FBI agents pretend to be 12 yrs old girls on chat programs/forums. 

    that's kinda different , it's a very unfair and extreme comparison .  pedophiles cought on the internet are intentionally seeking out children . thats not the case here . 

    im not trying to defend the GM , but at the same time your statement is over the top . it's like comparing an axe murder with some one that lost control of their car and killed some one .  the end result ( some one is dead ) may be the same but how and why that person is dead are totally different .

     

    How do we know that? The GM seemed to be more concerned with the other player being a girl in RL than how old the player really was.

     

  • Shaman64Shaman64 Member Posts: 399

    epic fail by both parties.

    best laugh i had all damn week.

     

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  • tr289tr289 Member Posts: 236
    Originally posted by Zorvan

    Originally posted by tr289

    Originally posted by Whiskeyjack1

    Originally posted by cozt


    I just read the news on the swedish gaming site www.fz.se. And I must say... at first I was like "what the hell is wrong with that GM". But after reading this I feel sorry for the GM.. seriously. Sure, I guess that kind of behaviour is unacceptable.. But I still feel sorry for him.
    And about the guy that fooled the GM.. He must be very immature.



     

    I guess you must feel bad for pedophiles when FBI agents pretend to be 12 yrs old girls on chat programs/forums. 

    that's kinda different , it's a very unfair and extreme comparison .  pedophiles cought on the internet are intentionally seeking out children . thats not the case here . 

    im not trying to defend the GM , but at the same time your statement is over the top . it's like comparing an axe murder with some one that lost control of their car and killed some one .  the end result ( some one is dead ) may be the same but how and why that person is dead are totally different .

     

    How do we know that? The GM seemed to be more concerned with the other player being a girl in RL than how old the player really was.

     



    hey i don't agree or am siding with the GM in any way !!!  i am just saying the guy i quoted used a comparison that was to extreme . it is what it is , a pervert GM getting caught with his pants down ... literally !


    i don't condone what happened , i don't care if the GM started it or the player did . either way the GM was wrong for letting that situation escalate ( or in this case escalating it himself ) to that level .





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