Kimbo Slice vs James Thompson.

damond5031damond5031 beaver dam, KYMember UncommonPosts: 444

After watching this fight I have serious questions about Kimbo's MMA staying power.  He appeared to wear down fast and didn't seem to have much ground game; although it has gotten better  than in the past. I think when Kimbo comes up against some of the top fighters; if he makes it that far, he will find himself unable to compete......Do any of you all have any idea what that mass was on Thompson's ear?

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  • DraenorDraenor Roseville, CAMember UncommonPosts: 7,918

    I don't think that it matters because Fedor Emelianenko is not fighting in the UFC and he is BY FAR the best heavyweight fighter in the world right now.  The UFC heavyweight division is a joke right now, they desperately need to bring in someone like Fedor, it's weird that their light heavyweight division is the one that gets all the hype.  Not that I have anything against Rampage or Chuck Liddell (far from it, I'm a huge fan of both) but it would be nice to see some really good big guys going at it every now and then.

    Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.

  • EcranomicalEcranomical Hesserbrunt, ONMember Posts: 326

    What do you expect, he's HUGE!!! With all that muscle his stamina is nearly nonexistent.

    And those punches were SOOOOO heavy! I've always wondered what would happen if I took one of those punches in the face...

  • DraenorDraenor Roseville, CAMember UncommonPosts: 7,918

    Are you suggesting that having big muscles means that you can't have stamina?  I assure you that that is not the case...yeah you expend more energy when you're using big ole muscles like that, but you can definitely get your body to the point where you can go three rounds with someone...And to give you an idea of how hard these MMA guys punch, I was watching a sports science show where they measured Quintin "rampage" Jackson's punching power, and the PSI of one of his punch was just a hair under that of a kick from a bull...that's bare fisted mind you, and the damage is diminished from the gloves, but you get the idea....

    Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.

  • EcranomicalEcranomical Hesserbrunt, ONMember Posts: 326

    No. I was just saying that with large muscle mass your respiration rate is insane. Larger guys, almost all the time, become tired faster; simple because of the muscle mass. Of course I'm not saying its impossible.

    I would still like to know what a punch like that will do to someones face.

  • DraenorDraenor Roseville, CAMember UncommonPosts: 7,918

    Well, go pester a bull until it kicks you in the face and you'll have something similar...of course there is something to be said for not knowing that the punch is coming.

    Getting punched in the face really isn't all that bad though, of course i've never been punched by anybody like Rampage, but once you take a punch to the face and realize that it's not going to kill you, it's not that big of a deal...I mean, yeah, it sucks..but you can't just go into these things going "oh no i don't wanna get punched in the face" cause if you do that, you're going to get punched, and it's going to be way worse because you're thinking about it the whole time.

    Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.

  • Yeah I tried watching this on CBS. A half-hour into the show I think there had been a minute of actual fighting. I turned it off and caught the good stuff on youtube.



    I don't know why anyone expects big things out of Kimbo Slice. Granted, he's a hell of a street fighter...but that's just it. He made his bones in backyard boxing matches. Sure he's a wrecking ball and you wouldn't want to meet him in a back alley, but he in no way has had near the level of conditioning that these other fighters have. Maybe he's been training hard but he's just not used to this stuff.

  • damond5031damond5031 beaver dam, KYMember UncommonPosts: 444

    Well i'll give the man one thing; he seems to  be pretty grounded and humble as far as how he treats his competitors on the professional level. CBS is certainly taking some lumps for putting him out there to the masses when many don't think he should be there. I however wish Kimbo luck  in whatever he does, he has had nothing handed to him in his life thus far. :)

  • Jimmy_ScytheJimmy_Scythe Macomb, ILMember CommonPosts: 3,586

    Um... I don't want to sound like to big of an asshole here but....

    When did UFC become a legitimate sport? I remember when it first started and the only reason anyone watched it is because there were no dog fights going on in most trailer parks at that time of year. It was the kind of thing that macho insecure teenagers and sociopaths watched when they weren't out inflicting misery on others.

    Don't get me wrong, I watched the first ten UFC events on pay per view back in the day, but it was motivated by the same force that compels a person to watch "When Animals Attack Small Children." I didn't WANT to watch, I HAD to watch. And, like a marathon of "Faces of Death," I mostly got what I expected to see.

    Now we have people discussing these things in the sports section likes it's just an everyday thing. Did I miss something? Did they add rules at some point? Just when did this "sport" become acceptable? Don't they realize that cleaning it up for mainstream acceptance will ultimately destroy the whole reason most of us started watching this shit in the first place?

  • bluberryhazebluberryhaze brooklyn, NYMember Posts: 1,702

    i see jimmy.

    supply and demand. times they are a changing as bob dylan wrote. people want more- 80's kids are growing up- its a legitimate sport considering the definition of sport- coupled with the fact golf is called a sport.

    my nephew has been training for 2years now for this sport. he goes live this year, i think. i was astonished at his dedication and diet. this kid is a stoner with an insane regimen.

    -I will subtlety invade your psyche-

  • DraenorDraenor Roseville, CAMember UncommonPosts: 7,918

    Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe


    Um... I don't want to sound like to big of an asshole here but....
    When did UFC become a legitimate sport? I remember when it first started and the only reason anyone watched it is because there were no dog fights going on in most trailer parks at that time of year. It was the kind of thing that macho insecure teenagers and sociopaths watched when they weren't out inflicting misery on others.
    Don't get me wrong, I watched the first ten UFC events on pay per view back in the day, but it was motivated by the same force that compels a person to watch "When Animals Attack Small Children." I didn't WANT to watch, I HAD to watch. And, like a marathon of "Faces of Death," I mostly got what I expected to see.
    Now we have people discussing these things in the sports section likes it's just an everyday thing. Did I miss something? Did they add rules at some point? Just when did this "sport" become acceptable? Don't they realize that cleaning it up for mainstream acceptance will ultimately destroy the whole reason most of us started watching this shit in the first place?

    They added rules back in the 90's, which is why the Gracie family left the UFC, because they wanted it to be "the best fighter, period" not the best fighter at particular weight classes who can do something under a particular set of rules.  This way is better though, as the old way of doing things had the sport classified as a "blood sport" and it wasn't even allowed to be on pay-per-view (which is funny since porn is on pay-per-view)

    The first rules were "no head butting, no groin shots, three 5 minute rounds, and weight classes" and they have only added a few things since then (such as fighters wearing shorts instead of whatever they want, this was to even the playing field from people using their uniforms as an extra weapon)

    It became a legitimate sport a few years after Dana White took over and made it so..the UFC is no longer the blood bath spectacle that it used to be, and its revenues far exceed professional boxing...why?  Because the fights are exciting, people actually get knocked out in the UFC, and fights last a maximum of fifteen minutes, unlike a boxing match which can last upwards of an hour...By the way, the head trauma suffered by boxers is much worse than it is in the UFC, because the UFC stops the fight as soon as a guy is out and there is no repeated head trauma like there is in boxing...so as far as which is more humane, I would argue that the UFC is...they have smaller gloves, yes, but they also don't hit eachother in the head for an hour before coming to a decision about who hit the other in the head with more efficiency.

    You're right about destroying the origional reason though, but with that destroying of the reason for people who wanted the blood bath comes mainstream acceptance, which means more money.  It's better this way anyway, because who really wants to watch a 300 pound man beat the hell out of a featherweight?

    Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.

  • VyethVyeth Fayetteville, NCMember UncommonPosts: 1,459

    Kimbo is not an all around MMA fighter.. He is a a one dimensional character.. He punches real well and can do a little wrestling, but anything besides that and he is no good.. Don't expect to turn him into a gracie anytime soon, that is just too demanding for someone who has been using his fists to punch holes in peoples faces in backyards for the better part of his life..

    He IS what he IS seriously.. People cheer for him because he does not care for tactics and lay-and-pray strategies common in MMA today. Kimbo is aggressive and loves to bang, and people LOVE to watch people bang. Usually when 2 "AMAZING" BJJ fighters clash and spend 3 rounds locked up in stalemates on the ground, its BORING. Yes, it will be exciting for peoploe who have actually TRAINED BJJ and KNOW what to look for, but for the average CASUAL fan it is just DREADFUL.. they want to see peoples faces get punded and they CHEER when it happens..

    He is NOT an all around MMA fighter, he is an agressive brawler that has the ABILITY to win fights in his own way. And since he loves to throw his hands and is usually the first one to do so people cheer for him. They want to see him beat someones ass, so they scream in anticipation.

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  • DraenorDraenor Roseville, CAMember UncommonPosts: 7,918

    Originally posted by Vyeth


    Kimbo is not an all around MMA fighter.. He is a a one dimensional character.. He punches real well and can do a little wrestling, but anything besides that and he is no good.. Don't expect to turn him into a gracie anytime soon, that is just too demanding for someone who has been using his fists to punch holes in peoples faces in backyards for the better part of his life..
    He IS what he IS seriously.. People cheer for him because he does not care for tactics and lay-and-pray strategies common in MMA today. Kimbo is aggressive and loves to bang, and people LOVE to watch people bang. Usually when 2 "AMAZING" BJJ fighters clash and spend 3 rounds locked up in stalemates on the ground, its BORING. Yes, it will be exciting for peoploe who have actually TRAINED BJJ and KNOW what to look for, but for the average CASUAL fan it is just DREADFUL.. they want to see peoples faces get punded and they CHEER when it happens..
    He is NOT an all around MMA fighter, he is an agressive brawler that has the ABILITY to win fights in his own way. And since he loves to throw his hands and is usually the first one to do so people cheer for him. They want to see him beat someones ass, so they scream in anticipation.
    Correct...people don't generally get behind fighters who primarily like to wrestle and ground fight, unless they develop a persona or are willing to ground and pound like Tito Ortiz (who lost his good rep when he pussed out during Chuck Liddell's rise to prominence and nobody has taken him seriously since then)

    People like to watch other people punch eachother, any ground fighting needs to be quick and active...the problem is that ground fighting and Brazilian Ju jitsu are just so tiring that most of those fighters just don't have the stamina to do if for more than one round and end up just laying on top of eachother after the first round.  There are exceptions to this such as Uriah Faber, who's conditioning is just ridiculous, but for the most part this is true.

    I'm watching ESPN and somebody just described MMA as "pro wrestling with a little more realism" haha...ESPN is so lost...Yes, let's show women's golf and the WNBA but then act like nobody cares about MMA...haha...morons.

    Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.

  • XeximaXexima Keller/ Denton, TXMember UncommonPosts: 2,696

    Jack thompson is pretty thick headed and stubborn,  I think he's able to take Kimbo any day.  Look at the fight he put up against Rockstar,  It was long, bloody, and fierce; he might be able to pull it off with the experience under his belt.

     

    Oh...  We're talking about UFC fighters, aren't we...

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