So...what WOULD be a WoW killer?

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  • jarishjarish Nampa, IDMember Posts: 526

    Come on, we all know that the Hello Kitty MMO is going to wipe the floor with WOW.

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  • ArndurArndur Frisco, TXMember Posts: 2,202

    Originally posted by Xiaoki


     
    Originally posted by XImpalerX


     
        Im not sure I understand what you mean by "non-gaming franchise"(if im taking what your saying correctly, you mean that Warhammer is not based off of a game? And that Star Wars, The Matrix, and Lord of the Rings are?
    Video gaming.

     

    A prospective "WoW killer" that is based on an existing franchise will be based on a series that originated as a video game.

    Warhammer has 25 years of fans but they are not video game fans. Did D&DO and LotRO teach you nothing. LotR has over 50 years of fans but they didnt flock to the video game did they? You can NOT depend on the fans of a non-video game series to support the video game.

    However, at this point the only video game franchises(non Blizzard franchises) that could make an attempt would be Halo, GTA or Pokemon(however, it would probably be Wii only which means its user base would be choked).

    With 20+ million Wiis sold with Nintendo estimating that number to grow to 50mil by march 09 i really doubht that the user base will be choked.

    Ive meet alot of warhammer players and guess what, they all play mmos. And if you want to go for legacy of games then a Nintendo or Bioware mmo would fit that.

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  • brostynbrostyn Louisville, KYMember Posts: 3,092

    WoW 2? I don't think there will be a blizzard killer. Blizzard actually knows about gaming.

  • sythraelsythrael St. George, UTMember UncommonPosts: 43

    Originally posted by jarish


    Come on, we all know that the Hello Kitty MMO is going to wipe the floor with WOW.



    Most assuredly!  That or the Lego MMO. =)

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  • Death1942Death1942 CanberraMember UncommonPosts: 2,587

    a game that is even easier to get into and even more basic than WoW.  its a game that allows (like WoW) everyone to play and is fun (for most people).  the only thing that will dethrone WoW is a more watered down MMO that people can easily get into.  WoW's secret is its simple gameplay and its fun (for most people)

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  • AnofalyeAnofalye Quebec, QCMember Posts: 7,433

    I don't know WHO, but I know WHAT!

     

    It will offer more solo/grouping (8- players) options.

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  • mike470mike470 General Correspondent -unknown-Member Posts: 2,396
    Originally posted by Anofalye


    I don't know WHO, but I know WHAT!
     
    It will offer more solo/grouping (8- players) options.



    Agreed.  Solo play has been a forgotten concept for most games.  Only  a few support it.

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  • JupstoJupsto englandMember UncommonPosts: 2,075

    something even shitter than wow. wow is so big because most people have such bad tastes. most of wow's players are from asia, just look at asian mmo's. wow is successful because its tacky and horrible, so in order for a game to steal the market it would have to be even worse.

    I dont want a wow killer, in terms of amount of subs. and it terms of gameplay wow has been killed a few times imo.

    but since you want to know which game we think will take wow's market its got to be wow 2 (by ea mythic) or wow 3 (by blizzard), as both will likely be more and the same and equally terrible.

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  • Omega431Omega431 Piqua, OHMember UncommonPosts: 92

    Blizzards next MMO, Period........... which is starcraft online :)

  • KyernaKyerna MechelenMember Posts: 119
    Originally posted by Gameloading

    Originally posted by Kyerna

    Originally posted by gath


     
    Originally posted by Xiaoki


     
    Originally posted by XImpalerX


     
        Im not sure I understand what you mean by "non-gaming franchise"(if im taking what your saying correctly, you mean that Warhammer is not based off of a game? And that Star Wars, The Matrix, and Lord of the Rings are?
    Video gaming.

     

    A prospective "WoW killer" that is based on an existing franchise will be based on a series that originated as a video game.

    Warhammer has 25 years of fans but they are not video game fans. Did D&DO and LotRO teach you nothing. LotR has over 50 years of fans but they didnt flock to the video game did they? You can NOT depend on the fans of a non-video game series to support the video game.

    However, at this point the only video game franchises(non Blizzard franchises) that could make an attempt would be Halo, GTA or Pokemon(however, it would probably be Wii only which means its user base would be choked).

     

    Not a video game...? laololulelu? There's atleast 2 that i know of, but i think (too mutch beer to be sure) there are more.



    There's three on the fantasy IP; Shadow of the Horned Rat (1995), Dark Omen (1998) and Mark of Chaos (2006). Plenty more on the 40k IP; Dawn of War, Fire Warrior, Chaos Gate, Space Hulk, Rites of War, Space Crusade, ... Seen how immensly well some of these games sold tells you a lot on how long and how much GW's fanboys have been praising their game-gurus. If a craptastic FPS like Fire Warrior actually sells I have no doubt the fanbase would follow them about anywhere.

    None of those games sold anywhere near Blizzard's numbers and they definitly don't carry the legacy of Blizzards games.



    Probably true but not what I was trying to point out, Gameloading. Will WaR prove to be a succesfull and profitable game? I don't doubt that for a moment seen the history of the Warhammer IP games. The scope of both the Warhammer and WH40k franchise is vast. The franchise itself has a pretty much unrivaled legacy when it comes down to tabletop miniatures worldwide. Most of these loyal customers have been dishing out tons of money for years on their mini's, their paints, constant expanding corebooks and what not. There's sales of novels, comics, the mini's and paints, the PnP, the videogames ... GW even owns a friggin museum to which their fans venture on 'pilgrimage'. Why would most shun away from spending a small monthly fee on yet another 'grand gift' of these 'talented souls'? But will WaR rival WoW in subscription numbers? I doubt it, I don't feel like guessing and I honestly don't even care.
  • LukainLukain WestmeadMember UncommonPosts: 591

    The legend of Zelda?

  • GameloadingGameloading NAMember Posts: 14,182

    Originally posted by Kyerna

    Originally posted by Gameloading

    Originally posted by Kyerna

    Originally posted by gath


     
    Originally posted by Xiaoki


     
    Originally posted by XImpalerX


     
        Im not sure I understand what you mean by "non-gaming franchise"(if im taking what your saying correctly, you mean that Warhammer is not based off of a game? And that Star Wars, The Matrix, and Lord of the Rings are?
    Video gaming.

     

    A prospective "WoW killer" that is based on an existing franchise will be based on a series that originated as a video game.

    Warhammer has 25 years of fans but they are not video game fans. Did D&DO and LotRO teach you nothing. LotR has over 50 years of fans but they didnt flock to the video game did they? You can NOT depend on the fans of a non-video game series to support the video game.

    However, at this point the only video game franchises(non Blizzard franchises) that could make an attempt would be Halo, GTA or Pokemon(however, it would probably be Wii only which means its user base would be choked).

     

    Not a video game...? laololulelu? There's atleast 2 that i know of, but i think (too mutch beer to be sure) there are more.



    There's three on the fantasy IP; Shadow of the Horned Rat (1995), Dark Omen (1998) and Mark of Chaos (2006). Plenty more on the 40k IP; Dawn of War, Fire Warrior, Chaos Gate, Space Hulk, Rites of War, Space Crusade, ... Seen how immensly well some of these games sold tells you a lot on how long and how much GW's fanboys have been praising their game-gurus. If a craptastic FPS like Fire Warrior actually sells I have no doubt the fanbase would follow them about anywhere.

    None of those games sold anywhere near Blizzard's numbers and they definitly don't carry the legacy of Blizzards games.



    Probably true but not what I was trying to point out, Gameloading. Will WaR prove to be a succesfull and profitable game? I don't doubt that for a moment seen the history of the Warhammer IP games. The scope of both the Warhammer and WH40k franchise is vast. The franchise itself has a pretty much unrivaled legacy when it comes down to tabletop miniatures worldwide. Most of these loyal customers have been dishing out tons of money for years on their mini's, their paints, constant expanding corebooks and what not. There's sales of novels, comics, the mini's and paints, the PnP, the videogames ... GW even owns a friggin museum to which their fans venture on 'pilgrimage'. Why would most shun away from spending a small monthly fee on yet another 'grand gift' of these 'talented souls'? But will WaR rival WoW in subscription numbers? I doubt it, I don't feel like guessing and I honestly don't even care. That's the whole point. Those people are playing tabletop games, MMORPG's.

    Lord of the Rings Online and Dungeons & Dragons was in the exact same situation by going with an IP that has nothing to do with video games. While both have a respectable amount of subscribers, neither of them are anything major.

  • ZindaihasZindaihas Seattle, WAMember UncommonPosts: 3,626

    I used the term "WoW killer" because that's become the popular phrase on these forums.  I agree that's a pretty poor term.  To kill means to put an end to, and that's not going to happen for some time.  What I really mean is...what would knock WoW from being the king of the hill?  Is time the only thing that can put it in 2nd place or is there a winning formula that could be more popular than the WoW formula?  That's what I meant.

  • DeadJesterDeadJester maricopa, AZMember Posts: 499

    just one thing WoW 2

  • materva26materva26 Knoxville, TNMember Posts: 64

    After playing Age of Conan's beta....Wow is dead to me now, and before people start raving and flaming me, Yes I had Full Vengeful Gear on my Orc warrior, including mace and shoulders. My account has been given away, AND GUESS WHAT BLIZZ, don't care if you know, cause WoW is DEAD to me now.....BRING ON CONAN!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • BizkitNLBizkitNL NetherlandsMember UncommonPosts: 2,418

    Originally posted by Zindaihas


    So many people like to speculate which soon to be released MMO will be the death knell for WoW.  It's been going on for a couple years now and many games have come and gone and still WoW remains on top.  Games will continue to be released in the future.  Will AoC be a WoW killer, will WAR?  Most likely neither of them will be.
    So instead of asking which game that is currently in development might do it, let me ask something a little different.  What kind of game would it take to kill WoW?  Or better yet, is there a formula that could be more popular than the WoW formula.  Perhaps there is none.  Perhaps WoW is the most successful formula there is and therefore, we are destined to see WoWish type games made again and again and again.
    I personally don't care if WoW lives or dies.  I don't care if it continues to rule or eventually gets dethroned.  I guess I'm just asking a familiar question with a slightly different spin because I'm a glutton for punishment.

    A WoW killer would be another WoW-type of game, created by Blizzard. And since Blizzard has been hiring new developers for a new MMO.....

    Imagine a Starcraft MMO. I think that would blow WoW off this planet!

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  • CatizoneCatizone Austin, TXMember Posts: 233

    Originally posted by Zindaihas


    So many people like to speculate which soon to be released MMO will be the death knell for WoW.  It's been going on for a couple years now and many games have come and gone and still WoW remains on top.  Games will continue to be released in the future.  Will AoC be a WoW killer, will WAR?  Most likely neither of them will be.
    So instead of asking which game that is currently in development might do it, let me ask something a little different.  What kind of game would it take to kill WoW?  Or better yet, is there a formula that could be more popular than the WoW formula.  Perhaps there is none.  Perhaps WoW is the most successful formula there is and therefore, we are destined to see WoWish type games made again and again and again.
    I personally don't care if WoW lives or dies.  I don't care if it continues to rule or eventually gets dethroned.  I guess I'm just asking a familiar question with a slightly different spin because I'm a glutton for punishment.

    None of them wl because WoW has an expansion pack coming out this year  and one of WoW's exp packs is like a small game on it's own.

  • Demz2Demz2 londonMember Posts: 435

    werent we being told that aoc and war were going to be next gen wow revolutionary killers????

     

    Lmao so much for that idea.  Funny thing is the fanbois here for years and months were saying aoc was going to destroy wow, and by all accounts by people on variuos forums and beta leakers its just another lineaer game on Vanguards level.  While these companies struggle, blizzard goes from strength to strength, will probably only get bigger with the new expansion going back to the roots of old wow.

  • herculeshercules lancashire,blackpoolMember UncommonPosts: 4,897

    If WAR can pull a polished ,impressive game then i think it would probably hurt WoW badly at least in europe and NA.Asia might not get hit so hard though.

  • cmackchasecmackchase Bedford, VAMember Posts: 11

    Hmm, an MMO to be a WoW killer would need the following things.

     

    1. An established IP that can be turned into an MMO, something like a Kotor/Final Fantasy

    2. A Class system similar to FFXI or FFT

    3. A character creation system that gives you a lot of options like CoX or EQ2

    4. PvE content that doesn't suck and hides time/money sinks decently.

    5. World PvP that matters, If a group of people go and demolish a city, the faction of that city gets a debuff to the losing side while rewarding the winning side with a decent buff. Other things could happen like every player on the losing side loses like 3% of there money to pay for "repairs/taxes" type thing, you get the idea.

    6. Make crafting matter, there is no logic is even having professions if people can afk for better gear that what people can craft.

    7. Random world events, your going to tell me that random orgranized mob X wouldn't randomly go launch a sneak attack on a certain town or something to weaken it.

    8. When you release an expansion, make it an expansion, and not a minor update, 10 levels isn't an expansion, 30 levels is an expansion, we want to be entertained, not gerbil rerolling all the time.

    This is a start to a wow killer.

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