I knew when I played the open beta that nothing the dev team did could save this worthless crapfest of a game. Here's some confirmation:
Well the OP played the open beta so it didn't cost them any money. But obviously they were so traumatized by the whole experience they came back 6 months later to make an I told you so post.
I dont see your point guys, this game truly is crap but you can always say that shit smell nice i guess. This probably works for some people but cmon it smell really really bad.
The OP's hate filled, trash comments are a ripe example of the worst aspect of what the modern video game crowd is made of. It really makes me sick to think people can harbor such hate for something that does not effect them.
How the **** doesnt it affect YOU when you paid money for something that simply doesnt deliver ??!
If you are only willing to pay for a video game that you are certain you will like and wont be a let down, especially in the MMO genre, then never buy a game again.
I have 6 MMOs in my desk drawer right now and i really only liked one of them. Not to mention the numerous Betas and free trials that i did for games i ended up not liking.
If you are only willing to pay for a video game that you are certain you will like and wont be a let down, especially in the MMO genre, then never buy a game again. I have 6 MMOs in my desk drawer right now and i really only liked one of them. Not to mention the numerous Betas and free trials that i did for games i ended up not liking.
Of all the mmos I've bought, it'd only be AO, CoH and WoW that I didn't regret purchasing within a couple of weeks. And all of them, released a loooooong time ago.
Those games aren't perfect, but I at least got a couple of months enjoyment out of them, i.e. I got my money's worth.
But every mmo I've bought in the last couple of years has disappointed and I haven't played any beyond the month that comes with game purchase. I haven't even found reviews terribly helpful. LOTRO reviewed really well, so I ended up buying it - but not a single thing about that game impressed me.
And yet, I retain my naive hope that the next game around the corner will be different...
If you are only willing to pay for a video game that you are certain you will like and wont be a let down, especially in the MMO genre, then never buy a game again. I have 6 MMOs in my desk drawer right now and i really only liked one of them. Not to mention the numerous Betas and free trials that i did for games i ended up not liking.
Of all the mmos I've bought, it'd only be AO, CoH and WoW that I didn't regret purchasing within a couple of weeks. And all of them, released a loooooong time ago.
Those games aren't perfect, but I at least got a couple of months enjoyment out of them, i.e. I got my money's worth.
But every mmo I've bought in the last couple of years has disappointed and I haven't played any beyond the month that comes with game purchase. I haven't even found reviews terribly helpful. LOTRO reviewed really well, so I ended up buying it - but not a single thing about that game impressed me.
And yet, I retain my naive hope that the next game around the corner will be different...
Keep hoping. Somebody is bound to learn from all these failures by now.
Well here is one more dim view of the state of this game.
I played 6 months worth of beta for this game. I have also played it since lauch. I have explored every aspect of this game and have leveled 5 toons to max level. I have explored the skill set fully for 4 different classes. Heres my opinion.
Since Launch the game has so that only about 10% of it remains unchanged from beta. The game hasnt progressed only changed.
Player skills Changed.
Player gear and weapon behavior changed
NPC behavior Changed.
Game graphics Changed
PVE content constantly changing
PVP content constantly changing
Just about every class has been boosted 50% then nerfred 200%.. Game engine mechanics have become spotty. In game mechanics are very spotty. Bane AI has gone way up while AFS and player pet AI has gone way down.
Still no end game content in sight. Social UI features need serious work.
In all the game honestly should have reamined in beta for at least another year.
Some people will pay to play anything, and then defend it like their life depends on it.
Fanbois who play games that are clearly garbage (and yes TR is one of them despite decent combat) hold back this industry from truly making changes and giving us quality games.
Unfortunately people for the most part aren't very intelligent. MMO gamers are no different. They will play anything. They have little standards.
Some people will pay to play anything, and then defend it like their life depends on it. Fanbois who play games that are clearly garbage (and yes TR is one of them despite decent combat) hold back this industry from truly making changes and giving us quality games. Unfortunately people for the most part aren't very intelligent. MMO gamers are no different. They will play anything. They have little standards.
Wow way to go calling people ignorant because they like a game you do not all based on "your" opinion.
I highly doubt people would pay to play TR or any game if they thought it sucked.
Some people will pay to play anything, and then defend it like their life depends on it. Fanbois who play games that are clearly garbage (and yes TR is one of them despite decent combat) hold back this industry from truly making changes and giving us quality games. Unfortunately people for the most part aren't very intelligent. MMO gamers are no different. They will play anything. They have little standards.
Wow way to go calling people ignorant because they like a game you do not all based on "your" opinion.
I highly doubt people would pay to play TR or any game if they thought it sucked.
I like the part where he doesn't mention a single negative aspect of the game in question... way to add something of substance to the discussion.
Why do people take so much offense when other people enjoy a game they don't? I have been playing games for 25 years in all mediums and I really enjoy TR. I love Sci-Fi and combat orientated games and TR fulfills both these requirements. A major pull for me is the world TR is set in, the storyline and the fact NPC's force you to react instead of standing around waiting to be pulled and ganked. Yes I feel it can have some improvements but the game runs really well, the graghics played on max look amazing and the community (EU server) is probably the best I have seen in a long time. So if you don't like or even hate the game then deal with it, play something else and just except the fact that people like the game and no matter how much you want it to fail its not going to any time soon. I am just glad trolls who post shite like this don't play.
Some people will pay to play anything, and then defend it like their life depends on it. Fanbois who play games that are clearly garbage (and yes TR is one of them despite decent combat) hold back this industry from truly making changes and giving us quality games. Unfortunately people for the most part aren't very intelligent. MMO gamers are no different. They will play anything. They have little standards.
Wow way to go calling people ignorant because they like a game you do not all based on "your" opinion.
I highly doubt people would pay to play TR or any game if they thought it sucked.
Some people will pay to play anything, and then defend it like their life depends on it. Fanbois who play games that are clearly garbage (and yes TR is one of them despite decent combat) hold back this industry from truly making changes and giving us quality games. Unfortunately people for the most part aren't very intelligent. MMO gamers are no different. They will play anything. They have little standards.
Wow way to go calling people ignorant because they like a game you do not all based on "your" opinion.
I highly doubt people would pay to play TR or any game if they thought it sucked.
I like the part where he doesn't mention a single negative aspect of the game in question... way to add something of substance to the discussion.
The game has no purpose, little direction, really no substance.
I do like the NPC drops and the combat is fun. However, it ends there. If this game could be classified as an arena, fine, do it. But this game tries to pretend it has a story, an RPG element, and interaction that isn't combat.
After the combat there really is nothing. It is fun at first though. But to be playing this game for months and months just seems almost absurd.
If you are only willing to pay for a video game that you are certain you will like and wont be a let down, especially in the MMO genre, then never buy a game again. I have 6 MMOs in my desk drawer right now and i really only liked one of them. Not to mention the numerous Betas and free trials that i did for games i ended up not liking.
Of all the mmos I've bought, it'd only be AO, CoH and WoW that I didn't regret purchasing within a couple of weeks. And all of them, released a loooooong time ago.
Older games are much more polished than new games. If you have a good concept then it's only a matter of polishing the edges and adding more content. I think this mister Richard something might be a little confused about the whole thing and that too much depends on him alone.
-Would you like cheddar or swiss cheese? -Yes. -...
Originally posted by Thunderous 99% of MMO's suck.
Ever consider the fact that maybe you either just don't like MMOs or you have unrealistic expectations from video games? I have played about 10 MMOs and really enjoyed 5 or 6 of them. Even the ones I wasn't crazy about, I don't hate enough to haunt their forums and bash them. I can't imagine spending any of my leisure time on a hobby I felt sucked 99% of the time... Oh how it must suck being you.
Come back after the poor beta which i did not enjoy, and now im enjoying the game.
Simple.
Played Wow for 2 and half years and no longer enjoy or play the game.
Simple.
I might change my mind again in another few months and in the experience ive had in all gaming over the last 20 years is never right any game off, just go back and keep having a look now and again and you never know.
I still sub to Swg every 6 months or so for a month to go check it out with fingers crossed
Playing: FFXIV Future: wishing for SWG 2, World of Warcraft Classic Played: Most current and extinct MMO's - 18 Years in....
Well, I do like how TR plays now, with the AIs actually being given a few tricks up their sleeves (like the light benders). It makes the mobs more challenging. If they continue on this track, I suspect we could see a decent game from it. Again I say could, it depends on if NCsoft's decisions to keep it afloat. I wouldn't blame them for canceling it after a year, Richard and his brother effectively fleeced the parent corp for all that it had that's for sure.
Originally posted by Thunderous 99% of MMO's suck.
Ever consider the fact that maybe you either just don't like MMOs or you have unrealistic expectations from video games? I have played about 10 MMOs and really enjoyed 5 or 6 of them. Even the ones I wasn't crazy about, I don't hate enough to haunt their forums and bash them. I can't imagine spending any of my leisure time on a hobby I felt sucked 99% of the time... Oh how it must suck being you.
Well I have little time to play games anymore and especially ones I don't really enjoy.
I played UO, Pre-CU and CU SWG for a long time, played WoW after that for a few months, CoH/CoV for a few months, EVE for a few months... Played this game, and some others but they really offer the same thing with different skins.
UO, Pre-CU and CU SWG and EVE were the only unique games I played. Aside from those games they are all the same class/level grindfests.
There are a number of games coming in the next few years that will change that, hopefully.
Originally posted by Thunderous 99% of MMO's suck.
Ever consider the fact that maybe you either just don't like MMOs or you have unrealistic expectations from video games? I have played about 10 MMOs and really enjoyed 5 or 6 of them. Even the ones I wasn't crazy about, I don't hate enough to haunt their forums and bash them. I can't imagine spending any of my leisure time on a hobby I felt sucked 99% of the time... Oh how it must suck being you.
Well I have little time to play games anymore and especially ones I don't really enjoy.
I played UO, Pre-CU and CU SWG for a long time, played WoW after that for a few months, CoH/CoV for a few months, EVE for a few months... Played this game, and some others but they really offer the same thing with different skins.
UO, Pre-CU and CU SWG and EVE were the only unique games I played. Aside from those games they are all the same class/level grindfests.
There are a number of games coming in the next few years that will change that, hopefully.
Holy crap, you've followed a nearly identical MMORPG-hopping path to mine... except I've played a few more that were wastes of money, and I played EVE inbetween most of it (3-month-long skill training FTL).
I would advise not to get your hopes up about this next batch.
AoC, from the looks of the demos, seems like it will play out just like any other MMORPG with the same content + boobs and gore.
Aion will likely be another Korean grind-fest.
WAR is just WoW in a different flavor.
Star Trek Online is on the fritz in a corporate / political kind of way.
Darkfall won't be in beta until Duke Nukem Forever (and ever) is released.
and... it's a safe bet that Huxley will be a Planetside or Unreal + Fury clone.
But hey, they're not done yet, and there's no way I can see the future. Maybe there is hope?
Once again... I have to say that maybe you you just don't like MMOs. If you played and hated all of them, and expect every one in the future to be the same 'ol crap that you hate... maybe you should look in to some other kind of games, or maybe some other leisure activity all together. Maybe they have a decent softball league where you live.
Once again... I have to say that maybe you you just don't like MMOs. If you played and hated all of them, and expect every one in the future to be the same 'ol crap that you hate... maybe you should look in to some other kind of games, or maybe some other leisure activity all together. Maybe they have a decent softball league where you live.
If you eat the same thing every day, you'll eventually hate it.
I've played a lot of MMORPGs, and they all have the same flavor. I hate that flavor. I hate it even more when the company that releases it pretends that it's different (as is the case with Tabula Rasa) and tricks you into buying the same shit with a different stink.
I would really like there to be a good MMOG out there for people who are sick of the same thing, and I know it's possible because this genre is not confined to a template (the WoW template).
It makes me sick that these developers aren't trying new things, it's like they're afraid to even look outside the box; "Oh, I've got an idea... but this other guy's idea makes lots of money... maybe if I strike a balance between them?"
It's not hot, it's not cool, it's just luke-warm.
That mentality produces half-assed, unfinished products like this game. If you like it, that's fine, you're probably too inexperienced to hate it right now. Tabula Rasa == WoW -end game +new combat system. That's it. You get the same type of shit with a new stink... just less mass.
Maybe TR will pull a reverse NGE later on? Ha, I'd like to see that.
Speaking of NGE and SWG...
What really blows my mind is that a lot of people enjoyed SWG at launch; it was broken, missing content, and the core gameplay was quite grindy... kind of like how Tabula Rasa is now, except I liked SWG.
You know why myself and other people liked it?
It wasn't the same as all the other games. It was community-based (not much soloable content) and very open-ended. Fun times were had and many memories were made with friends. However, it was later changed and that blew it all to hell, everything that was unique was gone: loot became the economy, content became more soloable, the professions were changed to classes, and the combat system was changed to be more fast-paced.
Does a new combat system make a game good? Yes and no. Yes, if you've never played anything innovative before. No, if you've had more fun with games that lacked such "good combat". If you take the WoW template and switch a few things out, you're still using the WoW template. Tabula Rasa and SOE's NGE are guilty of such disgusting plagiarism.
At any rate, saying that I just don't like MMOGs is an understatement. I hate them with a passion. I hate what they have become: watered-down piles of luke-warm feces. They are recycled toys re-purposed for the generation of casual, mainstream gamers...
...and for that, I will continue to actively hate them and enjoy doing it.
Eventually, enough people will begin hate MMOGs as they are now, and one day some developer will cash in on the opportunity to shut us all up. I eagerly await that day.
@Salvatoris...bud... you always have great comments , for the most part - you say it all so I don't have to ever post...but you're never going to actually change they way these people think . A large population will auto-dislike - all - the time.
I like the mmo genre , probably because I did alot of table top when I was young and really enjoyed RPG's all around - the fun to me is just having others around while I am playing , I don't care if I group - I can just kill and bullshit and quest etc...I find that a blast. Now if the game rubs me wrong - I move on.
End game ? who cares ... I don't want to spend my time at max level trying to get better what-ever... TO ME (as in opinion ) gettingthere - just working my way to max level has always been much more fun than being max level.
Nothing "deserves" to fail except for maybe pedophiles major organs and reality shows.
I'll say it slower : Do ... not... like...it...? ...Go ...somewhere...else.
I did not realize I wrote a personal attack there Plasuma. I was just putting an opinion out there. My apologies if you took as such.
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My #1 , "rule of self " ,for lack of better term , that I like to follow and project to as many as I can is this : Think for yourself ! Use logic - and then decide.
BUT...This is a site about "gaming" and I ,myself, am an "artist" so to speak ,truly believe in ... and very frequently defend other artist's rights to the freedoms they are so deserved. Be it writing , gaming , painting , speaking , hacking , Family Guy ...etc...
Brian-washing? there is much of that world-wide , too much and it is sad - I love L Ron Hubbard's Books but.... It is sad that it is so easy to take a few peoples opinion and make it law. In my opinion something Unique (capital) is the only way to have it - but we do not always get that because of what others may feel is not their "cup of tea".
"a majority of stupidity gets higher say over a minority of reasonable thought." I could not agree with that more.
point is - I was saying that it is simple - I found the change in pace to be a good time - if you don't like it then try something else . The Genre as a whole has not offered me that next EQ 1 (which I gave sony a good 4 yrs of my life for) yet ... and I honestly doubt it will - but anything that is not fantasy / high fantasy actually IS , even if to a minor degree , outside of the norm for the mmo community. Here's to hoping it will start a trend and offer you something you like.
But in retort : I have not "encouraged" anything , I have not "broken" anything and if you have differences or problems with the people who do these thing take it up with them , not me. I am not a leader in politics, I am barely an artist , A gamer , a blue collar worker , a pc geek -
I came from a fairly low income family leaving me no choice but to forgo College and work to to help my ill mother , who suffers parkinsons , shy-drager and a host of other disease. So your correct , I AM undereducated to a degree. I use my love of building PC's and gaming and art - to relieve my mind of the daily bullshit I have been given to deal with. Beyond what I can handle , there are others paid a hell of a lot more to deal with it in my stead.There are just so many posts of people throwing out negativity I thought I would try to explain that there is alot of fun in getting to the end that people overlook in trying to be "end game"
yes I have played almost every MMO since EQ1 - my faves since: EQ2 , City of x... , and now I have been enjoying Tabula Rasa.
It is all just opinion man , do not take me personal - point me at some other games I might enjoy... PLEASE give me GORE , PLEASE! Horror , post apocalyptic , cyberpunk - give me William Gibson -((oh , I do LOVE reading , so I CAN read at least.)) What do YOU enjoy ? I will give it a try , I love to explore.
Sorry man I just don't like to be "grouped in" and think that we all should , as gamers / pc junkies , be a little more constructive to eachother - if I came off otherwise , it is my fault. I am not being a smart ass and rarely do I post so honest . I get tired of too much seriousness sometimes hehe.
GAME ON man and maybe I will catch you in one of your favorite games? ...
-Sagool " Dr Strangematter " Harbaugh
Fell free to msg or email me if you'd prefer not to continue in forum... I can take it !
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Or the developers went where the players were - the EQ type class model.
Why do I hate the MMORPG genre? It's because people like you keep encouraging developers to make shitty games like Tabula Rasa for a quick buck.
Welcome to free enterprise. Companies can make any product they like. If consumers dont like it they wont pay to play. Just because you dont like the game - doesnt make it a shitty game - it just makes it a game you dont like.
It's democratic that way: a majority of stupidity gets higher say over a minority of reasonable thought. In the end, someone's opinion is just as good as another guy's... at least until mass-brainwashing comes into the picture, where unique opinions no longer have any pull compared to the weight of all the common ones.
Thats right - when everyones opinion is equal - then the many outweigh the few. Thats called society. If you dont like the society you are in - move somewhere else. If you dont like mmorpg's play something else.
But as long as WOW can pull 10 million players - why would any company make anything different? They are in it to make a $ and generate the biggest return for the shareholders.
If you really want something different - find some investors and build your better game.
sorta off subject - I noticed you were an Aussie -
Do you play the EU server and if so is it busy around 10 - 11 AM your time ?
I am noctournal (central US time) so I have just been watching the server pops at my time of night - just wondering ... and do you guys type with an accent too ? ( joking of course - I know you do :P)
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Well the OP played the open beta so it didn't cost them any money. But obviously they were so traumatized by the whole experience they came back 6 months later to make an I told you so post.
I dont see your point guys, this game truly is crap but you can always say that shit smell nice i guess. This probably works for some people but cmon it smell really really bad.
I can only speak for myself.
I played the game.
I thought it had some good concepts with combat mechanics that I would love to see further developed and added to other games.
But That was all.
If you are looking for exciting pve combat then TR certainly delievers it.
If you are looking for a mmoRPG then this is not a game for you IMHO.
I did not feel the game had enough of anything else except combat to offer me.
How the **** doesnt it affect YOU when you paid money for something that simply doesnt deliver ??!
If you are only willing to pay for a video game that you are certain you will like and wont be a let down, especially in the MMO genre, then never buy a game again.
I have 6 MMOs in my desk drawer right now and i really only liked one of them. Not to mention the numerous Betas and free trials that i did for games i ended up not liking.
Those games aren't perfect, but I at least got a couple of months enjoyment out of them, i.e. I got my money's worth.
But every mmo I've bought in the last couple of years has disappointed and I haven't played any beyond the month that comes with game purchase. I haven't even found reviews terribly helpful. LOTRO reviewed really well, so I ended up buying it - but not a single thing about that game impressed me.
And yet, I retain my naive hope that the next game around the corner will be different...
Those games aren't perfect, but I at least got a couple of months enjoyment out of them, i.e. I got my money's worth.
But every mmo I've bought in the last couple of years has disappointed and I haven't played any beyond the month that comes with game purchase. I haven't even found reviews terribly helpful. LOTRO reviewed really well, so I ended up buying it - but not a single thing about that game impressed me.
And yet, I retain my naive hope that the next game around the corner will be different...
Keep hoping. Somebody is bound to learn from all these failures by now.
We can only hope at this point.
Well here is one more dim view of the state of this game.
I played 6 months worth of beta for this game. I have also played it since lauch. I have explored every aspect of this game and have leveled 5 toons to max level. I have explored the skill set fully for 4 different classes. Heres my opinion.
Since Launch the game has so that only about 10% of it remains unchanged from beta. The game hasnt progressed only changed.
Player skills Changed.
Player gear and weapon behavior changed
NPC behavior Changed.
Game graphics Changed
PVE content constantly changing
PVP content constantly changing
Just about every class has been boosted 50% then nerfred 200%.. Game engine mechanics have become spotty. In game mechanics are very spotty. Bane AI has gone way up while AFS and player pet AI has gone way down.
Still no end game content in sight. Social UI features need serious work.
In all the game honestly should have reamined in beta for at least another year.
Some people will pay to play anything, and then defend it like their life depends on it.
Fanbois who play games that are clearly garbage (and yes TR is one of them despite decent combat) hold back this industry from truly making changes and giving us quality games.
Unfortunately people for the most part aren't very intelligent. MMO gamers are no different. They will play anything. They have little standards.
Tecmo Bowl.
I highly doubt people would pay to play TR or any game if they thought it sucked.
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Promote what you love instead of bashing what you hate.
I highly doubt people would pay to play TR or any game if they thought it sucked.
I like the part where he doesn't mention a single negative aspect of the game in question... way to add something of substance to the discussion.
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Why do people take so much offense when other people enjoy a game they don't? I have been playing games for 25 years in all mediums and I really enjoy TR. I love Sci-Fi and combat orientated games and TR fulfills both these requirements. A major pull for me is the world TR is set in, the storyline and the fact NPC's force you to react instead of standing around waiting to be pulled and ganked. Yes I feel it can have some improvements but the game runs really well, the graghics played on max look amazing and the community (EU server) is probably the best I have seen in a long time. So if you don't like or even hate the game then deal with it, play something else and just except the fact that people like the game and no matter how much you want it to fail its not going to any time soon. I am just glad trolls who post shite like this don't play.
I highly doubt people would pay to play TR or any game if they thought it sucked.
I never used the word "ignorant"...
Tecmo Bowl.
I highly doubt people would pay to play TR or any game if they thought it sucked.
I like the part where he doesn't mention a single negative aspect of the game in question... way to add something of substance to the discussion.
The game has no purpose, little direction, really no substance.
I do like the NPC drops and the combat is fun. However, it ends there. If this game could be classified as an arena, fine, do it. But this game tries to pretend it has a story, an RPG element, and interaction that isn't combat.
After the combat there really is nothing. It is fun at first though. But to be playing this game for months and months just seems almost absurd.
Tecmo Bowl.
Older games are much more polished than new games. If you have a good concept then it's only a matter of polishing the edges and adding more content. I think this mister Richard something might be a little confused about the whole thing and that too much depends on him alone.
-Would you like cheddar or swiss cheese?
-Yes.
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Ever consider the fact that maybe you either just don't like MMOs or you have unrealistic expectations from video games? I have played about 10 MMOs and really enjoyed 5 or 6 of them. Even the ones I wasn't crazy about, I don't hate enough to haunt their forums and bash them. I can't imagine spending any of my leisure time on a hobby I felt sucked 99% of the time... Oh how it must suck being you.
-----Zero Punctuation Eve Online Review-----
Come back after the poor beta which i did not enjoy, and now im enjoying the game.
Simple.
Played Wow for 2 and half years and no longer enjoy or play the game.
Simple.
I might change my mind again in another few months and in the experience ive had in all gaming over the last 20 years is never right any game off, just go back and keep having a look now and again and you never know.
I still sub to Swg every 6 months or so for a month to go check it out with fingers crossed
Playing: FFXIV
Future: wishing for SWG 2, World of Warcraft Classic
Played: Most current and extinct MMO's - 18 Years in....
Interesting Fact - I own 27 Tarantula's
Well, I do like how TR plays now, with the AIs actually being given a few tricks up their sleeves (like the light benders). It makes the mobs more challenging. If they continue on this track, I suspect we could see a decent game from it. Again I say could, it depends on if NCsoft's decisions to keep it afloat. I wouldn't blame them for canceling it after a year, Richard and his brother effectively fleeced the parent corp for all that it had that's for sure.
-- Brede
Ever consider the fact that maybe you either just don't like MMOs or you have unrealistic expectations from video games? I have played about 10 MMOs and really enjoyed 5 or 6 of them. Even the ones I wasn't crazy about, I don't hate enough to haunt their forums and bash them. I can't imagine spending any of my leisure time on a hobby I felt sucked 99% of the time... Oh how it must suck being you.
Well I have little time to play games anymore and especially ones I don't really enjoy.
I played UO, Pre-CU and CU SWG for a long time, played WoW after that for a few months, CoH/CoV for a few months, EVE for a few months... Played this game, and some others but they really offer the same thing with different skins.
UO, Pre-CU and CU SWG and EVE were the only unique games I played. Aside from those games they are all the same class/level grindfests.
There are a number of games coming in the next few years that will change that, hopefully.
Tecmo Bowl.
Ever consider the fact that maybe you either just don't like MMOs or you have unrealistic expectations from video games? I have played about 10 MMOs and really enjoyed 5 or 6 of them. Even the ones I wasn't crazy about, I don't hate enough to haunt their forums and bash them. I can't imagine spending any of my leisure time on a hobby I felt sucked 99% of the time... Oh how it must suck being you.
Well I have little time to play games anymore and especially ones I don't really enjoy.
I played UO, Pre-CU and CU SWG for a long time, played WoW after that for a few months, CoH/CoV for a few months, EVE for a few months... Played this game, and some others but they really offer the same thing with different skins.
UO, Pre-CU and CU SWG and EVE were the only unique games I played. Aside from those games they are all the same class/level grindfests.
There are a number of games coming in the next few years that will change that, hopefully.
Holy crap, you've followed a nearly identical MMORPG-hopping path to mine... except I've played a few more that were wastes of money, and I played EVE inbetween most of it (3-month-long skill training FTL).
I would advise not to get your hopes up about this next batch.
But hey, they're not done yet, and there's no way I can see the future. Maybe there is hope?
Once again... I have to say that maybe you you just don't like MMOs. If you played and hated all of them, and expect every one in the future to be the same 'ol crap that you hate... maybe you should look in to some other kind of games, or maybe some other leisure activity all together. Maybe they have a decent softball league where you live.
-----Zero Punctuation Eve Online Review-----
If you eat the same thing every day, you'll eventually hate it.
I've played a lot of MMORPGs, and they all have the same flavor. I hate that flavor. I hate it even more when the company that releases it pretends that it's different (as is the case with Tabula Rasa) and tricks you into buying the same shit with a different stink.
I would really like there to be a good MMOG out there for people who are sick of the same thing, and I know it's possible because this genre is not confined to a template (the WoW template).
It makes me sick that these developers aren't trying new things, it's like they're afraid to even look outside the box; "Oh, I've got an idea... but this other guy's idea makes lots of money... maybe if I strike a balance between them?"
It's not hot, it's not cool, it's just luke-warm.
That mentality produces half-assed, unfinished products like this game. If you like it, that's fine, you're probably too inexperienced to hate it right now. Tabula Rasa == WoW -end game +new combat system. That's it. You get the same type of shit with a new stink... just less mass.
Maybe TR will pull a reverse NGE later on? Ha, I'd like to see that.
Speaking of NGE and SWG...
What really blows my mind is that a lot of people enjoyed SWG at launch; it was broken, missing content, and the core gameplay was quite grindy... kind of like how Tabula Rasa is now, except I liked SWG.
You know why myself and other people liked it?
It wasn't the same as all the other games. It was community-based (not much soloable content) and very open-ended. Fun times were had and many memories were made with friends. However, it was later changed and that blew it all to hell, everything that was unique was gone: loot became the economy, content became more soloable, the professions were changed to classes, and the combat system was changed to be more fast-paced.
Does a new combat system make a game good? Yes and no. Yes, if you've never played anything innovative before. No, if you've had more fun with games that lacked such "good combat". If you take the WoW template and switch a few things out, you're still using the WoW template. Tabula Rasa and SOE's NGE are guilty of such disgusting plagiarism.
At any rate, saying that I just don't like MMOGs is an understatement. I hate them with a passion. I hate what they have become: watered-down piles of luke-warm feces. They are recycled toys re-purposed for the generation of casual, mainstream gamers...
...and for that, I will continue to actively hate them and enjoy doing it.
Eventually, enough people will begin hate MMOGs as they are now, and one day some developer will cash in on the opportunity to shut us all up. I eagerly await that day.
Did we not do this thread a couple times before ?
ha hahaha ...
@Salvatoris...bud... you always have great comments , for the most part - you say it all so I don't have to ever post...but you're never going to actually change they way these people think . A large population will auto-dislike - all - the time.
I like the mmo genre , probably because I did alot of table top when I was young and really enjoyed RPG's all around - the fun to me is just having others around while I am playing , I don't care if I group - I can just kill and bullshit and quest etc...I find that a blast. Now if the game rubs me wrong - I move on.
End game ? who cares ... I don't want to spend my time at max level trying to get better what-ever... TO ME (as in opinion
) getting there - just working my way to max level has always been much more fun than being max level.
Nothing "deserves" to fail except for maybe pedophiles major organs and reality shows.
I'll say it slower : Do ... not... like...it...? ...Go ...somewhere...else.
someone says "man that's why I hate the U.S."
I say "GTFO!" - I will even drive you.
Ouch!
...etc...
I did not realize I wrote a personal attack there Plasuma. I was just putting an opinion out there. My apologies if you took as such.
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My #1 , "rule of self " ,for lack of better term , that I like to follow and project to as many as I can is this : Think for yourself ! Use logic - and then decide.
BUT...This is a site about "gaming" and I ,myself, am an "artist" so to speak ,truly believe in ... and very frequently defend other artist's rights to the freedoms they are so deserved. Be it writing , gaming , painting , speaking , hacking , Family Guy
Brian-washing? there is much of that world-wide , too much and it is sad - I love L Ron Hubbard's Books but.... It is sad that it is so easy to take a few peoples opinion and make it law. In my opinion something Unique (capital) is the only way to have it - but we do not always get that because of what others may feel is not their "cup of tea".
"a majority of stupidity gets higher say over a minority of reasonable thought." I could not agree with that more.
point is - I was saying that it is simple - I found the change in pace to be a good time - if you don't like it then try something else . The Genre as a whole has not offered me that next EQ 1 (which I gave sony a good 4 yrs of my life for) yet ... and I honestly doubt it will - but anything that is not fantasy / high fantasy actually IS , even if to a minor degree , outside of the norm for the mmo community. Here's to hoping it will start a trend and offer you something you like.
But in retort : I have not "encouraged" anything , I have not "broken" anything and if you have differences or problems with the people who do these thing take it up with them , not me. I am not a leader in politics, I am barely an artist , A gamer , a blue collar worker , a pc geek -
I came from a fairly low income family leaving me no choice but to forgo College and work to to help my ill mother , who suffers parkinsons , shy-drager and a host of other disease. So your correct , I AM undereducated to a degree. I use my love of building PC's and gaming and art - to relieve my mind of the daily bullshit I have been given to deal with. Beyond what I can handle , there are others paid a hell of a lot more to deal with it in my stead.There are just so many posts of people throwing out negativity I thought I would try to explain that there is alot of fun in getting to the end that people overlook in trying to be "end game"
yes I have played almost every MMO since EQ1 - my faves since: EQ2 , City of x... , and now I have been enjoying Tabula Rasa.
It is all just opinion man , do not take me personal - point me at some other games I might enjoy... PLEASE give me GORE , PLEASE! Horror , post apocalyptic , cyberpunk - give me William Gibson -((oh , I do LOVE reading , so I CAN read at least.)) What do YOU enjoy ? I will give it a try , I love to explore.
Sorry man I just don't like to be "grouped in" and think that we all should , as gamers / pc junkies , be a little more constructive to eachother - if I came off otherwise , it is my fault. I am not being a smart ass and rarely do I post so honest . I get tired of too much seriousness sometimes hehe.
GAME ON man and maybe I will catch you in one of your favorite games? ...
-Sagool " Dr Strangematter " Harbaugh
Fell free to msg or email me if you'd prefer not to continue in forum... I can take it !
((*Quote: "Please post your opinions and any criticism about this topic. It's better to have many different perspectives to help shape the idea than just my own (I find my self-criticism to be unreliable at best)."))
(edited for some things I typed that sounded different to me once I read them over)
Or the developers went where the players were - the EQ type class model.
Welcome to free enterprise. Companies can make any product they like. If consumers dont like it they wont pay to play. Just because you dont like the game - doesnt make it a shitty game - it just makes it a game you dont like.
Thats right - when everyones opinion is equal - then the many outweigh the few. Thats called society. If you dont like the society you are in - move somewhere else. If you dont like mmorpg's play something else.
But as long as WOW can pull 10 million players - why would any company make anything different? They are in it to make a $ and generate the biggest return for the shareholders.
If you really want something different - find some investors and build your better game.
Cheers _Shadowmage .
sorta off subject - I noticed you were an Aussie -
Do you play the EU server and if so is it busy around 10 - 11 AM your time ?
I am noctournal (central US time) so I have just been watching the server pops at my time of night - just wondering ... and do you guys type with an accent too ? ( joking of course - I know you do :P)